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Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread

kirk55555 said:
Wow, that's really cool and informative. That list near the end that names all the characters they have rights to is giving me flashes of future solo movies that Sony will attempt to shit out (I can't wait to watch the Black Insect Swarm and Dentist, The solo films :lol:).
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And I wonder why they would go to the lengths of securing the rights to something as obscure as those and not secure the rights to characters likes of Mayday Parker and Jean dewolff, neither of whom are listed.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Man, they were really adamant that Spider-Man and PP not be homosexual.
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I was kinda hoping that that would be one of the criteria that would have an "*" next to it, which would indicate that he can only do it while in the black costume.:evil: That would just seem too bizarrely specific.:p

I'm trying to imagine what it would be like as a lawyer to have to go through describing all of Spider-Man's powers in such thorough detail. My favorite part so far is, "He is even able to overcome what would seem to be permanent diseases, such as blindness or vampirism." :eek: I don't usually think of that as a disease.
 
kirk55555 said:
Wow, that's really cool and informative. That list near the end that names all the characters they have rights to is giving me flashes of future solo movies that Sony will attempt to shit out (I can't wait to watch the Black Insect Swarm and Dentist, The solo films :lol:).
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I'd be much more interested in seeing "Dick Packer" on a theater marquee.

Also really glad to see that they have the rights to Judas Traveller! I fully embrace his pointlessness!

And Mayday Parker is listed. She's listed under "Spider-Girl (I)." And Jean DeWolff is listed under "Supporting characters" as #176.

Apparently Firestar is exclusive to the Marvel side of things.

It sounds like Sony does currently have the rights to Kingpin but needed to wait until 20th Century Fox's Daredevil rights expired. And by the time they did, Sony & Marvel started collaborating on the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies, so Sony had an incentive to not contradict Marvel's depiction of the Kingpin in the Daredevil TV series.

Although, I guess that some stuff has changed since this came out in 2011, since they list Spider-Ham as a frozen character but Sony used him in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse.
 
Kingpin is a shared rights not exclusive, fwiw. Marvel can use Kingpin in association with Daredevil only.
 
Before reading the document, I had no idea that Sony had so access to so many characters, granted most of them are incredibly minor, but it's still a lot more than I expected. I thought maybe they had access to a couple dozen characters at most.
 
JD said:
Before reading the document, I had no idea that Sony had so access to so many characters, granted most of them are incredibly minor, but it's still a lot more than I expected. I thought maybe they had access to a couple dozen characters at most.
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They have rights to Spider-Man characters. Rights to a series generally include rights to every character original to it or regularly associated with it, and Spidey's books are a huge chunk of the Marvel Universe.
 
JD said:
Before reading the document, I had no idea that Sony had so access to so many characters, granted most of them are incredibly minor, but it's still a lot more than I expected. I thought maybe they had access to a couple dozen characters at most.
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Sony has the rights to 900 different characters in total.
 
Christopher said:
They have rights to Spider-Man characters. Rights to a series generally include rights to every character original to it or regularly associated with it, and Spidey's books are a huge chunk of the Marvel Universe.
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Pretty much. I'll also add, however, that this was clearly a negotiated agreement between sophisticated parties. I had kind of assumed that Marvel was desperately selling and Sony was ignorantly buying and they hadn't worked out the details, but it's clear there's a lot of detail in this document and sensitive decisions were made with precision.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Man, they were really adamant that Spider-Man and PP not be homosexual.
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I'm guessing Ike Perlmutter was behind that and the "Must be Caucasian" part.


Alidar Jarok said:
Pretty much. I'll also add, however, that this was clearly a negotiated agreement between sophisticated parties. I had kind of assumed that Marvel was desperately selling and Sony was ignorantly buying and they hadn't worked out the details, but it's clear there's a lot of detail in this document and sensitive decisions were made with precision.
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Marvel was desperately selling, but there were still lawyers involved, and they would've been thorough in drawing up the contracts, because that's what lawyers get paid to do.
 
Christopher said:
Marvel was desperately selling, but there were still lawyers involved, and they would've been thorough in drawing up the contracts, because that's what lawyers get paid to do.
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Assuming the word "desperately" here refers to Marvel's bankruptcy, I have pointed out before somewhere that that story is mostly a myth. Marvel didn't sell the rights to Sony until well after they were stable again. And this article suggests that they took extra care when signing up the contract because the earlier, sloppy contracts from the 80s had led to various legal headaches.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't really catch that we were talking about the leaked 2011 document. But I don't understand how Marvel could be "desperate" regarding the 2011 agreement either. Back then, they were riding high on the successes of the first MCU films and were in the middle of making Avengers whereas Sony was in the middle of their reboot after Raimi's fourth film had collapsed some time before.
 
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I assumed the 2011 document is a modification of their earlier agreement, but I guess I'm guilty of treating it interchangeably with the initial sale.
 
Christopher said:
Marvel was desperately selling, but there were still lawyers involved, and they would've been thorough in drawing up the contracts, because that's what lawyers get paid to do.
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I feel sorry for the poor intern or whoever that had to go through the comics and identify all of the characters, and other things, that Sony was going to get access to.
 
JD said:
I feel sorry for the poor intern or whoever that had to go through the comics and identify all of the characters, and other things, that Sony was going to get access to.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but I know quite a few lawyers who would have LOVED to have had this job during their apprenticeships!
 
JD said:
I feel sorry for the poor intern or whoever that had to go through the comics and identify all of the characters, and other things, that Sony was going to get access to.
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I imagine that kind of meticulous searching is a routine part of a paralegal's or apprentice's job. But it would usually be leafing through thick, dry legal tomes for precedents or case law. As Captaindemotion said, this seems like it would be more fun.
 
Paralegal! I was trying remember what they were called when I was writing my other post, but I couldn't so I just said intern instead.

Sure, reading the comics would be fun, but having to record everything in the comics would have to get pretty tedious after a while.
 
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