Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread

[Christopher]

I'd also argue that it's Venom, not Brock who would be the antihero depending on your definition of that term.

Except Venom and Brock are not separate entities, not in the comics. The symbiote is not Venom; it's just the symbiote. Venom is the gestalt personality that forms when Brock and the symbiote merge. That's why they say "We are Venom." Of course, the later comics have other people (e.g. Mac Gargan and Flash Thompson) take on the symbiote and adopt the Venom name, but that's more just a legacy name getting passed on, like the Flash or Captain America.

Anyway, I think most people would perceive the human lead as the film's hero (anti- or otherwise), not the gooey monster attached to him. And the trailer just doesn't suggest there's anything particularly antiheroic about Brock. It asserts the label without supporting it, so the prominent use of the word in the trailer seems kind of empty. I mean, if he were really an antihero, then you could show that through his words and actions rather than needing to put it onscreen in big letters.

 

[Tosk]

There were definitely hints in the trailer that he's going to kill "bad people." I'd also argue that it's Venom, not Brock who would be the antihero depending on your definition of that term.

Plus, the trailer doesn't even actually say that Eddie Brock is an anti-hero. It says, "THIS FALL EMBRACE YOUR INNER ANTI-HERO".

 

[Christopher]

Plus, the trailer doesn't even actually say that Eddie Brock is an anti-hero. It says, "THIS FALL EMBRACE YOUR INNER ANTI-HERO".

But of course they wouldn't have said the latter unless they intended to imply the former, that this was a film about an antihero. It'd be completely random otherwise.

 

[Venardhi]

There's no Spider-Man here, so we're already off in "What if?!" territory. I've never given much of a shit about Venom, so I can't say it bothers me a whit that we're getting an alternate take on Brock. Worst case scenario, we still get 3 (4?) MCU movies in the next year to wash the taste out of our collective nerd mouths.

 

[Tosk]

And I'm hoping Venom doesn't have a secret Parker/Spidey cameo.

 

[Christopher]

There's no Spider-Man here, so we're already off in "What if?!" territory. I've never given much of a shit about Venom, so I can't say it bothers me a whit that we're getting an alternate take on Brock.

Sure. Like I said before, whether it's the same or different is beside the point. What matters is whether the alternate take is interesting in its own right. And this trailer didn't sell me on that.

It also makes a difference what you change. You can change a lot about a fictional character while keeping the core essence of what makes them worthwhile, and it can work quite well -- for instance, Bill Bixby's Incredible Hulk or Sherlock and Elementary's modernized Sherlock Holmes. Or you can keep the surface elements of a character while changing the heart of what makes the character work, and that will likely not be as successful -- e.g. the Reb Brown and Matt Salinger versions of Captain America or the Halle Berry Catwoman. So the question is, what's the essential core of Venom? Is it the gooey black suit and the stupid tongue and the body count? Or is it the personal struggle of the man inside the goo -- not just against the symbiote, but against his own inner demons?

 

[Enterprise is Great]

I'm not sure about this as I've never liked Venom at all. I like Tom Hardy but I think this will be a movie I watch on HBO or Netflix or where ever it winds up.

 

[kirk55555]

Is anyone else have a hard time understanding Hardy in the trailer? I don't mean his Venom voice, that was fine, I mean that painfully fake New York accent. its like he's mumbling in the thickest accent he could do, and its really annoying.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Is anyone else have a hard time understanding Hardy in the trailer? I don't mean his Venom voice, that was fine, I mean that painfully fake New York accent. its like he's mumbling in the thickest accent he could do, and its really annoying.

I don’t know if it’s his accent or the sound mix but I have trouble with that trailer.

 

[kirk55555]

I don’t know if it’s his accent or the sound mix but I have trouble with that trailer.

Maybe its just the sound mix, I don't know. All I know is that is was bizarrely hard to understand him, which is a weird issue to have with a modern movie starring a decent actor like Hardy.

 

[crookeddy]

That trailer was just... weak...

 

[Venardhi]

Maybe its just the sound mix, I don't know. All I know is that is was bizarrely hard to understand him, which is a weird issue to have with a modern movie starring a decent actor like Hardy.

His accent is very inconsistent but it was perfectly understandable to me.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Jake Gyllenhaal In Mysterio Talks For ‘Spider-Man’ Sequel

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Sounds good to me! I've been wanting to see Mysterio in a Spidey film for years and I definitely can see Jake Gyllenhaal in that taunting role.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Jake Gyllenhaal In Mysterio Talks For ‘Spider-Man’ Sequel

I guess Mysterio is one the few classic villains they can use that has not been the Raimi or Garfield films. For a dream sequel, I would prefer to see Spider-Man take on the original version of Silvermane (longtime involvement with organized crime, etc.), and dragging the Bernthal Punisher to the movie. That Punisher would be the perfect contrast to Holland's Spider-Man, and give that east coast edge to the series after all of the sci-fi goings-on of Infinity War. But, I guess its Mysterio for SM2.

 

[Turtletrekker]

This piece in Variety on Jake Gyllenhaal being in negotiations to play Mysterio also mentions that Michael Keaton will be returning as the Vulture.

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/j...and-1202719941/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[DigificWriter]

I guess Mysterio is one the few classic villains they can use that has not been the Raimi or Garfield films. For a dream sequel, I would prefer to see Spider-Man take on the original version of Silvermane (longtime involvement with organized crime, etc.), and dragging the Bernthal Punisher to the movie. That Punisher would be the perfect contrast to Holland's Spider-Man, and give that east coast edge to the series after all of the sci-fi goings-on of Infinity War. But, I guess its Mysterio for SM2.

TV-exclusive characters will never appear in any of the MCU films because Marvel's television and film divisions are completely separate.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

TV-exclusive characters will never appear in any of the MCU films because Marvel's television and film divisions are completely separate.

That's why I referred to it as a "dream sequel" because its not happening. That's too bad, as the Punisher would be an eye opening character during this next MCU phase.

 

[JD]

So I wonder if Mysterio will wear the fishbowl? I'm thinking since we have a potential big name actor like Gyllenhall we'll see his face at some point. Has Mysterio ever show his face in the comics?

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm sure that the fishbowl will be alluded to at the very, very least. Just like how Adrian Toomes flight jacket in Homecoming alluded to the tuft of feathers around Toomes neck in the comics.