Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Turtletrekker, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. Anwar

    Anwar Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The problem isn't that the other studios want to make shared universes, it's that Sony repeatedly has shown they're not willing to do it properly.

    The Arrowverse shows did it right by focusing on a good starter show and then started expanding. But movies like the Tom Cruise Mummy and Amazing Spider-Man 2 kept trying to shove all the setup into those films rather than take their time.

    So far, the reason why the Venom movies are still watchable (barely) is because they're taking their time in that regard. As messy as Venom 2 was, it wasn't because of the shared universe which didn't rear it's head till a post-credit scene.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    So? I'm not saying don't do shared universe. I'm saying don't do MCU phases over the top absurdity.
     
  3. Christopher

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    You're making the same mistake the studios make -- assuming that's all the MCU is, forgetting that it started out more modestly and worked its way up to that. The problem is that the studios keep trying to jump ahead to that stage, and that is not how the MCU did it, it's just how they think it did it because they're not paying attention.
     
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  4. fireproof78

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    No, I'm saying start smaller and don't shoot for MCU level garbage.
     
  5. Anwar

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    That's what the MCU did, they started smaller and then expanded when they realized it was working.

    You seem to have this bizarre hatred for a series that bothered to be inventive instead of taking the lazy way out.
     
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  6. fireproof78

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    Hatred, eh? Well, that's an assumption.
     
  7. Christopher

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    I repeat: You're forgetting that the MCU did start small. Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008, Iron Man 2 in 2010, Thor and Captain America in 2011, and then The Avengers in 2012. Then two standalones each in '13 and '14, then Age of Ultron and Ant-Man in '15. It eased into the interconnection over years.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    By all means please keep repeating it. I don't agree with what it became or the phases of expansion. I believe that model should be avoided.

    Not just MCU = the sux. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Christopher

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    I'm not concerned with what you agree with. I'm not even talking about you. I'm talking about the objective fact of what the MCU actually did, and how other movie studios misintepret their approach and thereby get it wrong. None of that is about you.
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    They do get it wrong a lot.

    More's the pity.
     
  11. Anwar

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    Especially when it's things like the Dark Universe, which we've already SEEN done well before with the Universal Monsters Combined Films.
     
  12. Morpheus 02

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    I think the DC Film Universe COULD have actually started WITH Justice League.... yeah, skip the MCU slow build up. Why? Because after MCU showed the interets in comic movies, DC could have run with it. Even though i heard that Spiderman was the most popular comic character to the general public (i.e. merchandising), I really feel Superman and Batman (and even Wonder WOman, for girls), are just as popular, if not more so. Certianly Superman & Batman's orgin stories have been done so many times, you wouldn't even need an intro scene (like the Waynes' death in B v S) or origin (Man of Steel).

    Just those 3 would be a draw. Cyborg & FLash would have been good characters to have as the characters to center this movie on... you could build on them to tell the story.

    And THEN you do the solo movies... Superman and possibly Batman would have been the automatic next movies thatyou could wisely prepare for during Justice League. ANd once the movie came out, a breakout character (most likely WOnder Woman) could be annoucned soon after Justice league gets released. So as those 3 come out, you have Justice League 2...and in that movie you tweak those seocndary characters to see which of them you could announce the next movie for .

    the Raimi SPider Man had enough connections for long time fans to get excited, but new stuff for newer people to get into....showing a clear love for the character.

    TV Flash became CW's biggest show , a lot with the anticipation . We had a lot of obvious respect with what came before (casting of JOhn Wesley Schipp), along with wise modenrizations (Cisco Ramon was totally different from my comics intro of him in the comics... but not just me, but my daughters love and connect with the TV Cicso)

    What made me hate the Garfield SPiderman was that to me it was an obvious attempt to keep the cash cow going (i.e. the movie mandate for licensing)....and it the previous love of the character was not there.

    That kind of blatant greed i think is felt by at least enough loud enough audience to sink these potential franchises... you don't feel the love as you do in many other properties.

    Also, they needed a visionary like Kevin Feige who can help conenct the pieces. You do NOT need to have a "thing" like the Infinity Gauntlet / Infinity Stones to tie it together... just make it feel like the same universe like pre Crisis/Secret Wars comics.

    Going back to the Spiderverse... is there anyone anymore that has that kinda love? Especially for these Spiderman-related characters? Without that, the Spiderverse will generally fail (excluding the Marvel Studios drived Holland SPider as well as the miles Morales animated movies)
     
  13. DigificWriter

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    Birds of Prey and Shazam! aren't 'standalones' because they're explicitly part of the DCEU.
     
  14. The Nth Doctor

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    Yes, I know. But my point is they feel and act like standalones because there aren't big connective DCEU things weighing them down like most of the others.
     
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    The Universal monster movies, from my limited knowledge of them, weren't nearly as planned out or as broad of scope, and while one could argue that the DC CW shows were comparable creatively, there's no way it's any where near as financially successful. Also neither bridged both movies and TV.

    They really really haven't.
     
  16. Christopher

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    Yes, they're all different, which is the point. I was refuting the claim that there was only one unique way to do a shared universe. Yes, what the MCU achieved was exceptional, but it's overly mythologizing them to claim it's some kind of eternally unrepeatable miracle.
     
  17. M'rk son of Mogh

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    You can have standalone stories while still being part of the greater universe where the crossover isn't the gimmick. "Captain America: The First Avenger" is standalone. "Civil War "is DEFINITELY not.

    "Shazam" and "Man of Steel "are.
    Their second movie, "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice: The Motion Picture: Part 1: The Revenge" is not.
     
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  19. suarezguy

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    *Shrug* I think there can be some nobility to Kraven and that work and him fighting against greedier hunters was a pretty obvious characterization and plot to go with for him as protagonist that I predicted I think soon after the movie was announced.

    From having watched Marvel Studios's adaptation of Mysterio, among much else, I don't think their adaptation of Kraven would be particularly better than what Sony does.
     
  20. suarezguy

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    I think The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was not great but better than either Homecoming or FFH. I also think Avi Arad should get quite a bit of credit for great Spider-Man 2 (and the '90s animated series and X-Men animated series and films).