Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread
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I've been reading a little on it and I'm not so sure it was cut down to PG-13 or if all the "experts" have assumed it was going for an R. It's a bit vague and confusing reading into it.
Just a semi-educated guess, but I'd say that if Sony's plan was to use Venom as the anchor to a shared universe of their Spidey-adjacent characters, then they probably always intended it to be PG-13 so it would be accessible to a larger audience and compatible with the other films in the franchise. Deadpool was able to get away with being R because it was a sidebar to an already established film franchise and wasn't meant to set up anything beyond itself.
Although I still think they'd have a better chance of success if they didn't worry about the crossover element and just used these diverse characters as the basis for a variety of standalone films in different genres -- horror for Venom, a crime caper for Black Cat, etc. Too many shared universes flop out of the gate because they pin the entire framework on the success of the first film. If the properties are kept more independent of each other, then one's failure wouldn't have to hurt the others. Give them a chance to succeed or fail independently and then cross them over after you've had a few successes, like Marvel did.
^ Marvel was always planning for Iron Man to kick start a shared universe, though, so that line of thinking doesn't really work.
First clip from "Venom"
The Wilheim scream just makes it look corny
The Wilheim scream just makes it look corny
Wilhelm Screams are like Stan Lee cameos.
Okay, now I want them to do a Stan Lee cameo where he gives the Wilhelm Scream.
I want to believe there might be a good movie in this somewhere but when you cut 40 minutes out of the movie......
https://www.newsarama.com/42061-tom-hardy-s-favorite-scenes-were-cut-from-venom.html
https://www.newsarama.com/42061-tom-hardy-s-favorite-scenes-were-cut-from-venom.html
Lots of movies cut a comparable amount from their initial rough cuts. It's pretty routine. The way film editing works is that you start off with a cut that includes everything you might use, then you pare it down to the stuff you really need. A lot of what gets cut out is just dead space that slows the timing, redundant exposition and dialogue, stuff that the final film is better off without. But laypeople don't understand how film editing works, so whenever this routine practice happens to get mentioned in the press (as with Star Trek Nemesis and its 50 minutes trimmed from the rough cut), people think something's gone horribly wrong. The same way they think something's gone horribly wrong when they hear a film has gone back for reshoots, even though most films do that these days and it's a normal, expected, pre-planned part of the process.
I thank God this attitude hasn't been directed at books yet.
"Ohmigod, I hear Cox's new book was bounced back to him for revisions. What's worse, this is apparently his third draft and he's just cut out an entire subplot and wrote a new prologue. And changed the gender of one of the supporting characters. It's like it's a work-in-progress or something!"
"Seriously? Jesus, that sounds like a trainwreck . . . ."
I thank God this attitude hasn't been directed at books yet.
"Ohmigod, I hear Cox's new book was bounced back to him for revisions. What's worse, this is apparently his third draft and he's just cut out an entire subplot and wrote a new prologue. And changed the gender of one of the supporting characters. It's like it's a work-in-progress or something!"
"Seriously? Jesus, that sounds like a trainwreck . . . ."
I think the version of Only Superhuman you acquired from me was the 4th or 5th major revision of the manuscript, and the whole story was my second stab at the character and her world after I realized on my 8th or 9th draft of the first version that the story just wasn't working. Plus of course it got revised once or twice after you acquired it.
Coming back to Hardy's comments, it is a shame that his favorite scenes are cut. Granted, that doesn't necessarily mean anything about the quality of the scenes, but it's clear that Hardy laments their loss and that feels like a significant loss.
An actor's favorite scenes to play aren't necessarily the best scenes for the story overall. They might be intimate character moments that aren't essential to the narrative or slow it down too much. Or they might be favorites for some subjective reason having nothing to do with the story, like whom they were performed with.
People have generally just been posting in this thread about it. Feel free to start one.