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When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not, hmmmmm???
Something I just finally realized about Generations
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When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not, hmmmmm???
Agreed. Even if Kirk's actual death was "meh" and a letdown, his performance before the bridge fell and crushed him was standard, classic Jim Kirk...whooping ass. Taking names.
I always though the Enterprise-E and others in the Sovereign Class were what happens when the Galaxy and Intrepid(Voyager) classes are mishmashed together.
Nice ideas, Superman. I think having McCoy and Scotty involved would have probably pushed it too far, but I love the idea of Spock somehow knowing Kirk was alive all this time. I'd have loved to have seen something similar to what you describe, directed by Nimoy.
Or even a storyline which gives some more attention to Kirk and some respect to him.
Were we really supposed to believe that Jim 'I NEED my pain!' Kirk would be seduced by this Nexus crap?
Find something which only the past (Kirk) or the future (Picard) knows and must tell the other and do a STIV timewarp and the hell with the Nexus as your time travel excuse.
Were we really supposed to believe that Jim 'I NEED my pain!' Kirk would be seduced by this Nexus crap?
Find something which only the past (Kirk) or the future (Picard) knows and must tell the other and do a STIV timewarp and the hell with the Nexus as your time travel excuse.
I wish the actors never aged so they could continue making features forever (like in futurama)
Your idea is compelling Superman. I definitely would have been entertained by that film. Unfortunately, I do think there's a bit of a problem with it: the description sounds like the TNG cast takes the back seat, and that just wasn't what they were going for at this time. The original goal was to make a pure TNG movie, but the execs forced them to tie it into the TOS crew because they were afraid TNG couldn't stand on it's own. A story that's so TOS heavy would have been too contradictory to their objectives. I think that plot would have worked, but it would take some tweaking to make sure it was a TNG movie first and foremost. As it stands, its entirely the TOS characters driving the plot.
Oh, and ClayinCA, I love the idea of Kirk on the Battle Bridge! That would have been such a better end, and we still could have had the E-D's destruction go down a similar way. Maybe put Soran on his own ship instead of on the planet, and Kirk chooses to ram it with the Battle Section at the last minute to stop the missile launch? Huge explosion and the saucer crashes, just like in the actual film. Definitely would have been better than the bridge sequence.
Oh, and ClayinCA, I love the idea of Kirk on the Battle Bridge! That would have been such a better end, and we still could have had the E-D's destruction go down a similar way. Maybe put Soran on his own ship instead of on the planet, and Kirk chooses to ram it with the Battle Section at the last minute to stop the missile launch? Huge explosion and the saucer crashes, just like in the actual film. Definitely would have been better than the bridge sequence.
One reason the Enterprise was destroyed was that they had wanted to do the saucer crash for the sixth season finale, and introduce a new ship for the final season. Unfortunately, the budget didn't allow for that, so we got "Descent" instead.
Another reason for the Enterprise destruction that's been reported (though I should caution that I've never been able to confirm this) is that Andy Probert received royalties for the use of the -D design, and thus eliminating the -D was a budgetary decision. Probert's design dated from the early 1980's, and Roddenberry saw his painting one day and decided that was what the new Enterprise had to look like. The -E was done by someone on Paramount's payroll, so they owned it completely unlike the -D.
That would have been a terrible idea. The E-E looks much better on film that the D, it was a more epic looking ship which was one of the touches needed to make a more epic feel to the TNG stories for the big screen.
Agreed. The D was a fine ship, but didn't translate very well to a huge cinema screen with its more unforgiving detail and scope. The TV model of the D was great for the small screen but when shown on a massive scope up on a big screen the design didn't have the detail, texture or color that it needed.
The D never looked better than its brief time in Generations. I think it was the 6 footer heavily redone in some shots and a CGI version in others. It's in the featurettes somewhere.
Regarding the amount of time that the TOS characters appeared in Generations, I believe Ron Moore has said that it was one of Paramount's long laundry list of requirements that the TOS characters could only appear for a certain amount of time at the beginning of the film, and that only Kirk could appear at the end. They wanted to make it clear that this was a TNG film, with a "passing of the torch," and not a TOS or combination film. That pretty well hamstrung the writers into the type of TOS participation that we got.
Regarding the Enterprise-D, I have to admit I don't understand the sentiment that she didn't look good on the big screen. Now, unlike many here, I was not a fan of the changes they made to the interior of the ship, particularly the lighting. But I thought from an exterior standpoint, the ship looked excellent. Perhaps it's true that the model did not lend itself to filming from a variety of angles. But the shots we did get were beautifully executed. The Enterprise-D felt like a beloved character to me, but the Enterprise-E never felt like more than a random ship-of-the-week. I just never warmed up to it.
Regarding the Enterprise-D, I have to admit I don't understand the sentiment that she didn't look good on the big screen. Now, unlike many here, I was not a fan of the changes they made to the interior of the ship, particularly the lighting. But I thought from an exterior standpoint, the ship looked excellent. Perhaps it's true that the model did not lend itself to filming from a variety of angles. But the shots we did get were beautifully executed. The Enterprise-D felt like a beloved character to me, but the Enterprise-E never felt like more than a random ship-of-the-week. I just never warmed up to it.
See, I loved what they did with the interior. The changes to the bridge made it much more visually interesting, and the new lighting scheme was very cinematic. The bright, "natural" light from the Armagosa star in Picard's ready room, Ten-Forward, and Picard's quarters was really good. And let's be honest, the lighting from the series needed to be toned down. I've been in hospitals that weren't as brightly lit as those sets looked on TV.
I have to agree with that. The bridge especially looked far more interesting and functional than it did throughout the series.
Though the yellow in Ten Forward seemed a bit overdone, and there was that odd scene where Riker left Picards ready room and all the lights on the bridge were off.
I always hated the "Nexus" as a plot device/mcguffin.
They should have stuck with another time travel gimmick to get Picard
and kirk on screen in the same era instead. Maybe some crazy shit pulled by Lore, instead of Dr. Soran, to bring Kirk into the future. It would have been more dramatic if Lore killed Kirk at the end--or if Picard was in some way forced to kill him...to keep the timeline or the universe intact in some fashion. That would have been very controversial....talk about passing the torch!
They should have stuck with another time travel gimmick to get Picard
and kirk on screen in the same era instead. Maybe some crazy shit pulled by Lore, instead of Dr. Soran, to bring Kirk into the future. It would have been more dramatic if Lore killed Kirk at the end--or if Picard was in some way forced to kill him...to keep the timeline or the universe intact in some fashion. That would have been very controversial....talk about passing the torch!
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