Some new opinions/information from folks who've seen the film....
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Didn't Hidden Frontier show the Excelsior's engineering?
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Shoveling dilithium crystals in the engines as if it is coal!?
Well, if I didn't know for sure I wasn't going to watch this pile of junk before, I would know it now.
I completely can not believe, except paradoxically, I can, I soo can.
Star Trek is dead; Trek Wars lives.
Ugh.
Well, if I didn't know for sure I wasn't going to watch this pile of junk before, I would know it now.
I completely can not believe, except paradoxically, I can, I soo can.
Star Trek is dead; Trek Wars lives.
Ugh.
I've decided that I'm not going to get worked up about how the Enterprise looks. It may not be exactly to my tastes, but when I think about it, I absolutely hated the Batmobile in Batman Begins. Even in that gritty real world environment, I still would have preferred a little more form over function. That being said, both movies were excellent, the design has somewhat grown on me and I'm now hoping Bruce can get that sucker up and running again in time for the next installment. So at this point, I think I'm more concerned that the characters and story are done properly, rather than with what the starships look like. Hell, I didn't much care for the Enterprise D design, but I don't remember it ever interfering with my enjoyment of the series.
Well to go off topic a little pit on the Batman thing I think there's another Tumbler down in Applied Sciences somewhere.
Now to return you to your regularly shedualed thread.
Yep, I loved the view from the Kongo's Emergency Monitor Room.
Yep, I loved the view from the Kongo's Emergency Monitor Room.
So did I, because I knew how tricky it was.
Not only is the Engineering set a wonderful miniature painstakingly created by the folks at MNFX, with smoke and lighting effects added, but the orange grille in the Emergency Monitor Room window is CG.
You do realize that statement was made metaphorically, right?
^Didn't know that the grille is CG -- looks real. Damn good job.
Sounds cool. Where can I see this feat of VFX awesome?
Obviously he doesn't ...as it was to be expected
Somehow, Engineering-as-Brewery seems appropriate. I'm hoping that Scotty will have a spigot connected to the warp core from which some kind of subspace Saurian Brandy flows.
Doohan would probably appreciate engineering being filmed at a brewery. I am trying to remember where I once saw an img in Trek of large, brewery type canisters...
There is this one.... http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200303/tos-026-the-cavernous-undergro/320x240.jpg
but it doesn't quite match the memory, the canisters were sitting grouped together like a hugh 6-pack.
Anyway, good to hear more positive reports on the film.
First Contact didn't even hit 100 million domestic. If you consider THAT a wide popular mainstream success you have very low standards. Considering that everyone WANTED a Borg movie and it should've been a huge blockbuster that crossed the 100 million threshold with ease and it didn't. It was a disappointment no matter how many of you people try to spin it otherwise.
TMP, IV and maybe II were the only mainstream successes. Thats only 30% of the movies if you count II.
Pretending Star Trek is some mega movie franchise is just flat out wrong. And seeing as how this is a prequel of sorts it just makes Star Trek look even more cheap and more copycatish after we just got through with the Star Wars prequels.
Its even more hilarious because the prequel series, Enterprise, bombed so hard it got canceled.
It's also true that while ST:TMP made a lot of money it did so without impressing most of the folks who saw it very much. That is why Roddenberry was removed and Harve Bennett put in charge of "Star Trek" by the studio with the mandate to make a much, much cheaper and more accessible "Star Trek" film.
If the Star Trek Movies have done so horrible at the box office...
Then Why The HELL Are TPTB Still Making Them!!??
Could it possibly be that despite the apparent DISMAL Domestic Take, somehow or other TPTB ARE MAKING GOBS OF MONEY OFF OF THIS ALSO APPARENTLY DEAD FRANCHISE??!
(Can ya kinda-sorta tell I'm sick-and-tired of people around here berating Star Trek?)
Then Why The HELL Are TPTB Still Making Them!!??
Could it possibly be that despite the apparent DISMAL Domestic Take, somehow or other TPTB ARE MAKING GOBS OF MONEY OFF OF THIS ALSO APPARENTLY DEAD FRANCHISE??!
(Can ya kinda-sorta tell I'm sick-and-tired of people around here berating Star Trek?)
If they were they wouldn't need to make another movie. They could just keep raking in the dough from licenses.
The truth is, of course, that as the fortunes of Trek have declined the values of those licenses have declined - licensess expect to make less money, therefore they're willing to pay less for "Star Trek" and therefore the studio makes less.
Certainly the people running the show at Paramount now believe that a franchise which was once successful for them can be made so again - all the major studios are apparently looking for "franchise" properties, and since Trek is already owned by the studio it's a natural. That said, it's also clear that the kind of success Trek enjoyed in theaters in the 1980s is simply not sufficient to make continued investment in the property worthwhile. They're spending hundreds of millions of dollars this time around in the hopes of generating a kind of success that Trek has never ever had.
And that, in my not-so-able-to-prove-humble-opinion, will probably not happen this time around either.
It'll probably make a bunch of money, but it'll Never Be anything more than a Franchise that appeals only to a Certain Small Segment of the population.
That, also in my opinion, is why Trek has lasted all these years.
Because WE (that Small Segment) have Cared enough and been Vocal enough to keep it going. (and also cause WE have been/are willing to put Our hard-earned cash toward keeping it alive.)
If TPTB ever really figure that out, they'll truly learn how to capitalize on it.
This Drastic Change may bring in a few new recruits, but it's more likely to drive away many more who have been around for most or part of the ride up to this point and have liked it just fine the way it is. (again, just my opinion)
There's not enough of that to make the Franchise as it's existed up to now worthwhile from the studio's POV. Not in today's marketplace.
A small, devoted coterie of fans such as have hung in with Trek all of these decades could support a cartoon series, or a few direct-to-DVD movies made on low budgets, or a SCIFI Channel series made on a limited budget. There's not much indication that Paramount is interested in exploiting "Star Trek" in any of those ways, so far - Trek has not yet failed utterly enough for that. It's got at least this one last chance to prove out.
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