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So, would the Dominion War have been lost with Picard in Sisko's shoes?

That Dominion ships passed through Romulan space does not make the Romulans complicit, I'm pretty sure the Romulans didn't invite them.
It does. If you allow tanks to roll through your country on the way to clobber someone else, it can and usually is considered an act of war. You've shown an implicit alliance with the aggressor.
 
Belgium could not allow French or British troops on their soil for any reason. Had the countries crossed into Belgium, they would either have had to attack or else Germany could have regarded it as a treaty violation. So yes, unless the Romulans opposed the Dominion, the Federation could have acted.
Space is not like land, it is rather big. And sure, Federation certainly would have grounds for some action if the Romulans repeatedly would let that happen. But that action would not be an assassination of a diplomat!
 
Space is not like land, it is rather big. And sure, Federation certainly would have grounds for some action if the Romulans repeatedly would let that happen. But that action would not be an assassination of a diplomat!
THey are still shown to have areas of influence. Interstellar nations in Trek claim "Space".
Just as our nations claim airspace (technically no limit in altitude, either, though due to treaty and logistics space is supposed to be unarmed.. a different story)
But if my country A-Land wants to bomb C-Topia, and to get there it has to fly over B-ia, I better have the B's permission to do so, or I will have to route around or risk another front in a war. This happened in the ongoing Afghanistan conflict.
The same applies to launching an ICBM in a war, but that's a more nuanced and complicated discussion out the scope of this.
 
I'm sure they have it. They probably have all sorts of emergency general orders that are rarely, if ever, used. USA has war plans in case Canada attacks.

Citation? My understanding was that an attack from Canada was the one scenario the USA had not planned out.
 
By the time the Federation knew about the Tal Shiar-Obsidian Order attack, it was way too late to stop them. The fleet was already going through the wormhole.
My reply referred to a post about the Dominion using Romulan space, nothing to do with The Federation, Obsidian order or even the wormhole.
 
So historical had a plan. Not the same as "has" a plan

Almost by definition, that wouldn't be (generally) known, as it would be highly classified information, right ? I think it would be safe to assume that there is such a plan in a military safe somewhere, no matter how unlikely the scenario is considered to be by probably even the people who created/commissioned such plans.
 
The War Plans (color) were very different from what Sisko et al were manufacturing. The War Plans were contingencies in which the US Army and Navy puzzled out various ways the US would deal with foreign power should they fall into war with them. They were not extension of policy toward those countries, and never was their a plan that started from the aggressive takeover of Canada. The document that Sisko was manufacturing was for an expansionist war against the Romulans. Indeed, it is a surprise attack that is being discussed that is part of a larger strategy that is in contravention of the non-aggression pact, and it is being done so at the top levels of government--a matter of policy.
 
The War Plans (color) were very different from what Sisko et al were manufacturing. The War Plans were contingencies in which the US Army and Navy puzzled out various ways the US would deal with foreign power should they fall into war with them. They were not extension of policy toward those countries, and never was their a plan that started from the aggressive takeover of Canada. The document that Sisko was manufacturing was for an expansionist war against the Romulans. Indeed, it is a surprise attack that is being discussed that is part of a larger strategy that is in contravention of the non-aggression pact, and it is being done so at the top levels of government--a matter of policy.

This tangent had nothing to do with with the fake data rod from DS9. The discussion of war plans against Canada got started when Longinus claimed that General Order 24 (from TOS) was obviously an obscure war plan that was never really intended to be carried out because the situation it was designed for would never really happen.

Which ignores the fact that GO24 is apparently common knowledge among Starfleet captains, whereas the War Plans to invade Canada probably weren't shared with every division commander in the US armed forces. And also ignores the fact that two separate captains found situations in which they claimed it did apply, both in the same generation. Even though neither actually carried it out in the end (one because his crew mutinied), these facts strongly suggest that the possibility of GO24 actually being carried out is vastly higher than the possibility of anyone actually putting those Canadian war plans into action. Especially since Starfleet specifically gives its Captains a wide latitude and the only condition we know of for applying GO24 is that the planetary inhabitants be 'actively hostile to the Federation'.
 
This tangent had nothing to do with with the fake data rod from DS9. The discussion of war plans against Canada got started when Longinus claimed that General Order 24 (from TOS) was obviously an obscure war plan that was never really intended to be carried out because the situation it was designed for would never really happen.

Which ignores the fact that GO24 is apparently common knowledge among Starfleet captains, whereas the War Plans to invade Canada probably weren't shared with every division commander in the US armed forces. And also ignores the fact that two separate captains found situations in which they claimed it did apply, both in the same generation. Even though neither actually carried it out in the end (one because his crew mutinied), these facts strongly suggest that the possibility of GO24 actually being carried out is vastly higher than the possibility of anyone actually putting those Canadian war plans into action. Especially since Starfleet specifically gives its Captains a wide latitude and the only condition we know of for applying GO24 is that the planetary inhabitants be 'actively hostile to the Federation'.
It seems I was mistaken, although some of my points would still be relevant. General Order 24 was a tool given to people in the field. The War Plans were puzzles: no one was deployed or given orders with the intention of carry it out. It's not like the American president is going to declare Canada an enemy, right? Right? Right?
 
Sisko was ideally suited for the role he had on DS9, Picard was a totally different personality type with different skills.

We really can't say how the war would have played out if they switched roles because everything from day one would have been different. Every decision. Butterfly effect.

For the way the story was written it had to be sisko.

Just like if sisko had lead the battle of sector 001 instead of Picard, the federation wouldnt exist.

True. He needed to suffer his loss, to steel himself to the decisions yet to come. At the time of 001, Sisko was far from the man he became during the Domnion War.
 
After making an attempt to beat his academy marathon record in them?
"Lieutenant... a few years ago, I watched a 60-something year old bald captain on borrowed shoes pass four starfleet ensigns in the prime of their life on the last hill of the forty kilometer run on Danula Two... damndest thing I ever saw... only captain with corns on his athletes' feet to ever win the Starfleet marathon....I made it my business to never run against him,

Oh, and to avoid the other captain, who was pissed his shoes were ruined."
 
"Lieutenant... a few years ago, I watched a 60-something year old bald captain on borrowed shoes pass four starfleet ensigns in the prime of their life on the last hill of the forty kilometer run on Danula Two... damndest thing I ever saw... only captain with corns on his athletes' feet to ever win the Starfleet marathon....I made it my business to never run against him,

Oh, and to avoid the other captain, who was pissed his shoes were ruined."

Usain Bolt set the 100m world record after skipping breakfast, full of flu and having one shoelace untied....just sayin' ;)
 
If you want to blame someone or something for ending the war....it was Section 31. If they hadn't diseased Odo and the Founders, we would be in Season 26.
 
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