OK we know it's been a running theme in "new who" and many points about it have been covered, but who actually started the time war and laid the first shots?
So who actually started the great Time War?
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In one of the later Seasons of the Galifrey Audio Series from Big Finish, we see (hear) the CIA director "tricking" the fourth Doctor into trying to "stop" the Daleks from being created. It took Narvin about a minute and half to realise that this wasn't the headshot he thought it was, and that the Daleks were going to figure out what he did, and strikeback hard. The writers allude to this being the start of the Time War without using the words Time War.
Interesting, now imagine how much more awesome that would have been had it been included in "Genesis of the Daleks"
More or less, from memory the Time Lords foresaw a time when the Daleks had destroyed all other life in the universe and they had become the dominat life in the universe. So they basically sent The Doctor to Skaro to either avert their creation, affect their genetic development so they eveloved into less aggressive creatures or to discover some inherenent weakness.
But from a Dalek perspective, the existence of any non Dalek Life in the Universe is probably a greater affront.
The Time Lords figured out in 1974 that they might lose, boo ####ing hoo. The Daleks had been wallowing in their unending loss, which was contatnat and immediate for every moment of their existence since birth, thousands of years earlier.
If that's how nonDaleklife oppressed Daleklife, and made DalekLife feel, then total extermination of all nonDaleklife is completely understandable.
The Time Lords figured out in 1974 that they might lose, boo ####ing hoo. The Daleks had been wallowing in their unending loss, which was contatnat and immediate for every moment of their existence since birth, thousands of years earlier.
If that's how nonDaleklife oppressed Daleklife, and made DalekLife feel, then total extermination of all nonDaleklife is completely understandable.
I'd say, in their effort to prevent it, the Time Lords themselves actually began that long process.
However, while Genesis is an early indication, Rememberance and Big Finish's Apocalypse Element are by RTD the first firing shots by the Time Lords and Daleks respectively.
However, while Genesis is an early indication, Rememberance and Big Finish's Apocalypse Element are by RTD the first firing shots by the Time Lords and Daleks respectively.
Going by the modern day series' rules, how is the Doctor going back and preventing the Daleks from existing not breaking a fixed point in time? The Daleks have ravaged through the universe for centuries. Or was it that the might of the Time Lords could have allowed the paradox to happen?
Well, the implication is that the TIme Lords would sort things out when fixed points would be tampered with - especially ones of their own choosing.
In Big Finish and NuWho, the Doctors just doesn't want to upset the Web of Time/fixed points in time because its too much headache/trouble than its worth.
In Big Finish and NuWho, the Doctors just doesn't want to upset the Web of Time/fixed points in time because its too much headache/trouble than its worth.
Some say it's because the Master spilled the Supreme Dalek's pint. Some say that it's because a dalek said something about Rassilon's mother. General consensus is that it was Adric's fault.
There's also Resurrection, where one of the (many) components of the Daleks' (incredibly complicated) plan is to replace the Doctor with a Dalek duplicate and send him to Gallifrey to assassinate the High Council of the Time Lords.
This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
From the point of view of The Daleks, I don't think it's any one thing that started. Basically, The Daleks at some point realized that The Time Lords were there biggest obstacle in ruling the universe and it wasn't until they go toe to eye stalk with them that they picked a fight.
This is pretty much what The Master said in the audio adventure 'Dark Eyes 2'. The Master said the Timelords were planning to use the Eminence to defeat the Daleks. A plan the Doctor described as fighting a Firestorm with Nuclear weapons.
Nyssa is a Furry.
You can't see the forest (of bad ideas) through the trees (of bad ideas) on this one.
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