So what's up with the black badges?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Dr. San Guinary, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. The Masked Poster

    The Masked Poster Social distance measurer Moderator

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    Yeah, I agree. It just makes no sense as a Starfleet Tal Shiar. And I'm not one for banging the Gene's Vision drum at all, but the concept of an overt Section 31 division within the ranks of Starfleet strutting around like the Gestapo combined with the KGB, flies so hard in the face of Star Trek's future that it really has no place in it, in my view.
     
  2. Dr. San Guinary

    Dr. San Guinary Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Wouldn't be the first time, though. In one of the Bantam novels (yeah, I know, stop right there :lol: ), the Federation had a "Special Security Division" that basically made Section 31 look like Barney. So glad they dropped that horseshit.
     
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  3. Michael

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    Starfleet people who mourn a recent loss possibly? :shrug::shifty:
     
  4. Longinus

    Longinus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oh absolutely agreed! I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched those DS9 episodes!
     
  5. Ricky Spanish

    Ricky Spanish Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    This is the continuity now. If something hasn't been mentioned, its fair game. No matter how bad an idea it is.
     
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  6. Tim Zombieson

    Tim Zombieson Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well, Lorca knew about that. Presumably, they let her break into the grow room, probably as a test or just through simply monitoring all her actions, as they should've been doing as a matter of course.

    Lorca was trying to get a feel for her, and allowed her more freedom than she realized in order to see if she'd play ball with his scheme.
     
  7. Kor

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    So if Section 31 is an unacknowledged rogue operation, who is Starfleet's "official" black ops?

    Kor
     
  8. The Masked Poster

    The Masked Poster Social distance measurer Moderator

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    We've heard of 'Starfleet intelligence' but they seem to use ordinary personnel for 'black ops' - see Chain of Command or Lower Decks.
     
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  9. Mirror Mirror

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    Not from what I recall. Yeah they were "officially" rogue, but starfleet used them and they did Black ops stuff that the Federation needed done, but did not want to be linked to. I think its clear from DS9 the high ups not only knew about them, they willingly used them.
     
  10. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    Hope it isn't S31, they don't operate in the open.
     
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  11. saddestmoon

    saddestmoon Captain Captain

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    Black badges = Starfleets ‘BlackFleet’ operatives: a special taskforce created to counter the Klingon undead army, comprising of undead starfleet officers!

    Maybe the Discovery is an ancient Federation equivalent of the Klingon ‘Sarcophagus’ starship, with the power to bring back to life deceased starfleet officers - and the big reveal will be they are being led by Captain Georgiou!

    Black Alert is when the Discovery powers up its middle ring, engaging spore-powered reanimating networks!

    Calling it now!!!

    ;) [Wink!]
     
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  12. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Actually, they "officially" don't exist, and even so, Starfleet doesn't use them, rather they use Starfleet.
     
  13. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Black badges, black alert, mysterious Captain and ship trying to win a war. Cool stuff.
     
  14. Ghouleddie74

    Ghouleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The mid-23rd century security forces and commando officers of Starfleet? A few decades or so later Colonel West has an army-style rank and is in command of Starfleet ground forces preparing to launch a rescue mission into Klingon space and recover Kirk and McCoy.

    Perhaps Starfleet in this era has combat and security units similar to United Earth's MACOs? In the Kelvin timeline Scotty says Starfleet isn't a military service and thus had no use for the MACO after the founding of the Federation, but then - this series isn't set in that timeline. :p
     
  15. Paul Weaver

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    That didn't really fit with Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges though - Sloan wasn't working alone, at several points.
     
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  16. Kemaiku

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    No one knows Discovery exists, the 3 convicts that do are going to be at the bottom of a mine being beaten daily and suffer one of those "accidents" they mentioned if they talk. And she's classified 'above top secret' on ultra secure Starfleet channels.

    That's not nearly "open". And Lorca will kill people just to get what he wants from the second we meet him.
     
  17. Longinus

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    Or everyone knows that Discovery exist (though probably not exactly what they're doing) and those prisoners (and the pilot) are perfectly fine. And of course no one is being beaten and the penal colony is absolutely lovely place with some therapy and light exercise. Lorca has killed no one, except that one tribble, and that was a tragic neutering accident (he feels very guilty about it.)
     
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  18. Kemaiku

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    Oh no, they've gotten to him too! run before they give us all the happy pills.
     
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  19. Arpy

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    Starfleet black ops makes sense. There is already a Starfleet Intelligence and a Starfleet Tactical.

    The whole point of Section 31 is that no one knows they even exist, which doesn't make sense them having regulation uniforms and hanging out for random crew and visiting prisoners to see.

    EDIT: Kamaiku, who says no one knows The Discovery exists? The war only started 6 months earlier, whereas the work to design and build it started much earlier. There's a war going on, so they can't broadcasting their position, and it's away from the front lines doing wartime research, but I didn't get the impression that it's a secret ship. The prisoners were sent back to prison at the end of the episode, not suffered an accident. We know that they were because Saru seemed to think Michael was on the shuttle too, heading back to prison.
     
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  20. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The black badges are probably some experimental research department, in this case working on the spores, and there's a direct connection between their department color and "black alert", too.