So what will Paramount do when Star Trek XI tanks?

[Cary L. Brown]

BalthierTheGreat said:My response was always the same. You want me back, bring the A game. Play the best damn hockey out there, make the playoffs. That's what Trek has to do in any case to get back the fans, wannabees and usedtobees. Make a great movie or a great series. I don't care about uniforms, the puck color, the names on the jersies. Just effing win the game.

Absolutely correct... and nobody but one of the "true fans" who really wants this movie to tank would argue with that.

But of course Paramount being the thickheads they are, they'll probably give us another movie with a "Bad Guy Who Puts Khan to Shame" featuring a CGI comic relief character and more Kirk sex-scenes then you can shake a tribble at. It will suck, and I won't watch it.

You do realize you need to split up your examples of bad stuff better. I just got this image of Chris Pine having sex with a tribble while Jar Jar Binks babbles in the background.

And I can't get it out of my head!

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

All of this nonsense makes me not give a fuck anymore.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Santa T. Claus said:
All of this nonsense makes me not give a fuck anymore.

Hey I just want to be entertained (by the film)really that's not asking for the impossiable and I'm pretty sure these guys can manage it.

Most everyone who doesn't frequent Trek BBS or other such places could care less about what the cadets are wearing or how many decks the Enterprise might have or even that it doesn't exactly resemble the old version provided they can make the leap that its vaguely like the original - but that open for alot of leeway.

They go to the movies to be entertained, not enlightened, nor do they go to look at "how the future might look like - but probably won't".

If its fun, the walked out feeling pleased they paid 8 bucks plus snacks this movie will be a success.

Sharr

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Sharr Khan said:

Santa T. Claus said:
All of this nonsense makes me not give a fuck anymore.

Hey I just want to be entertained (by the film)really that's not asking for the impossiable and I'm pretty sure these guys can manage it.

Most everyone who doesn't frequent Trek BBS or other such places could care less about what the cadets are wearing or how many decks the Enterprise might have or even that it doesn't exactly resemble the old version provided they can make the leap that its vaguely like the original - but that open for alot of leeway.

They go to the movies to be entertained, not enlightened, nor do they go to look at "how the future might look like - but probably won't".

If its fun, the walked out feeling pleased they paid 8 bucks plus snacks this movie will be a success.

Sharr

Eight bucks? Where do YOU live?

Thirteen, here, minimum... unless you go to the early-afternoon kiddie-show.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Connecticut, maybe it was closer to ten but you know what I mean.

Sharr

 

[Therin of Andor]

donners22 said:
those films were still massive events, with huge budgets, top-notch effects and a lot of hype. XI will be above average in those areas, but not of the level of those filmes.

Huh? Why not? You think they'll spend all that money then ignore the movie by not promoting it? Why won't the FX be "top-notch"?

Titanic had no general reputation of fans or the movie

The James Cameron name sure did, which is why it was/is always promoted as "James Cameron's 'Titanic'", the next big SPFX extravaganza. When Fox Studios Australia installed the Titanic tourist experience/attraction, it was only ever allowed to be called "James Cameron's 'Titanic'".

Lord of the Rings had an established fan base and lacked the tarnish of the Star Trek name.

Tarnish? What tarnish?

The Star Trek name has a tarnish, a mostly ignorant one, but a tarnish nonetheless which turns people away from it.

You hang with the wrong crowd, mate. I hear just as many sneers for "Star Wars", "King Kong", "Die Hard", "Spider-man" and "The Terminator" as I do for "Star Trek". Many people sneer at all commercial film products and say they only ever go to art house films. Ignore them!

The studio kept the budget low because it didn't think the films could ever break out

Exactly. Paramount did not want a wasteful repeat of TMP, because that film would have made a healthy profit even on a smaller budget. But that was many movies ago. ST V, "Generations", "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" were major box office disappointments, even though their budgets were bigger than ST IV.

Sounds like you want this film to fail.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Sounds like you want this film to fail.

There's an over abundance of that thinking around these parts, people declaiming the certitude of this films failure even before it makes it to the screens.

They will exist in denial if it does become a smash out hit and should it do as they are going out their way to tell us it will they'll proceed to wallow in that failure as a victory.

I really can't wait to see the website that will be put in place calling this "Fake Trek" or some such foolishness.

Sharr

 

[ancient]

The fan reaction among the angry-fan croud will essentially be the same regardless of the success of the movie.

-If it flops, it's because it was dreck, so no one saw it.

-If it makes $300M it's because modern audiences like shallow crap ... i.e., the movie is still dreck.

Either way, these arguments can be made without having to actually see the movie.

Hooray for the win-win situation!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Either way, these arguments can be made without having to actually see the movie.

Like I said before: I fully expect no matter how much critical acclaim this film might well earn - I'll come back from the movies, log on here to only be told how horrible it was and JJ Abrams has forever ruined "Star Trek" - even as Paramount announces the follow-up stating how glad they are at what JJ did. I can even guess who will be saying it...

Sharr

 

[Therin of Andor]

On the other hand, attending gala premiere nights of otherwise critically-slammed ST movies such as ST V, "Generations" and "Insurrection", with a huge mostly-appreciative crowd of ST fans, was still an enormous amount of fun.

Even a bad, drekish ST movie can be entertaining.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I barely escaped with my life following STV. The people I gave passes to were not appreciative.

 

[Therin of Andor]

We came out of ST V and saw the posters saying "Why are the seats being fitted with seatbelts...?" and just burst out laughing.

"To keep people from leaving early!" we shouted! It was a great night.

 

[xortex]

Screenwriting is a game best left to the young.

 

[xortex]

I think Therin looks disappointed as he is in his picture and probably will be after seeing the movie and sharr will have her cake and eat it too as in her picture.

 

[Sharr Khan]

xortex said:
I think Therin looks disappointed as he is in his picture and probably will be after seeing the movie and sharr will have her cake and eat it too as in her picture.

First not I'm not a her... no more then Caryis a starship...

Second if it sucks I'll let you know I think that does, if I leave the theatre sorry I went you'll no. The difference is between me and those entering this forum posting threads with the premise that this movie is doomed to failure, or below Roddenberry's "high standards" is I do not presume to know the thoughts or feelings of those producing it and can only judge what they're setting out to do by the result.

You see I don't think GR was a visionary by any standard, and that some of the best Trek was not made by him so I feel no need to go around attempting less then cleaver jabs at Abrams (who you Xortex seem to have a personal beef with...) or even Braga or Berman. Berman's biggest mistake was clinging to Roddenberry's "vision" and not taking risks.

I'm open minded enough to wait and see. Are you?

Sharr

 

[xortex]

Sharr, I've seen the movie. It's great.

 

[Sharr Khan]

xortex said:
Sharr, I've seen the movie. It's great.

Then fill us in on the plot? I want details, exact in every way. Do the Enterprise's nacelle's vector?

Sharr

 

[Therin of Andor]

xortex said:
I think Therin looks disappointed

That's not disappointed. That's thoughtful.

And ST XI will be great, if "Lost" is any clue! I can't wait. If my pic wasn't a still shot you'd see my antennae waving with excitement.

 

[Vektor]

Sharr Khan said:
Do the Enterprise's nacelle's vector?

You know, people really need to learn how to spell my name. And for the last time, I had nothing to do with the damn nacelles!

 

[Cmndr J Crichton]

I'm tellin' ya. Trek 11 will be the suprise hit of next year. It's got a lot going for it. It'll be 6 years since Nemesis. A lot of casual fans didn't even know that existed. Which is a good thing. Same with Enterprise. People either never heard of it, or most people I knew didn't really watch it. If Paramount is smart, they'll kick off the promotion big time in January. Have the teaser on 1-18-08, then start character posters. Start with Kirk in January, and end with Uhura in July. A Second teaser in August. Action figures and collectibles August-release. Game tie in on all Platforms: Wii, X-Box 360, PS3, PC, DS, PSP in December. Soundtrack, and finally the movie! Also, a heavily scheduled TV campaign should do the trick as well.