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So what happened to the earlier Enterprise?

No, the original would be there, because it was there. It would simply overlap with its own worldline for 71 hours, which would appear to an observer as if it were in two places at once. As long as the time-displaced Enterprise doesn't interact directly with its other self, there is no paradox created and no reason it can't simply be a self-consistent loop with the two iterations of the ship uneventfully coexisting for a measly 71 hours.
 
No, the original would be there, because it was there. It would simply overlap with its own worldline for 71 hours, which would appear to an observer as if it were in two places at once. As long as the time-displaced Enterprise doesn't interact directly with its other self, there is no paradox created and no reason it can't simply be a self-consistent loop with the two iterations of the ship uneventfully coexisting for a measly 71 hours.


Dude, I know, right? I keep hearing Doc Brown upon reading some of these posts "Marty, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally".

In the Infocom text adventure game "Sorcerer" you actually get to participate in a "time loop". One of my top favorite gaming moments ever.
 
No, the original would be there, because it was there. It would simply overlap with its own worldline for 71 hours
And it not the same ship and crew, the prior and subsequent Enterprise's are different in age (71 hours) and so are only similar to each other. The latter possesses a older crew and if nothing else the position of the protons and electron that compose the ship's structure are in different positions.

Christopher would not the two ships both be "the original"?
 
Yes, they are both the original. That's my point. There's no duplication or erasure or replacement. There's only the one ship, one continuous existence, but the time warp allowed that existence to overlap itself for 71 hours. Gomtuu20's statement is wrong; while under normal circumstances, an entity can only exist in one place at a time, a temporal warp allows an abnormal circumstance in which an entity can coexist with its own past self. This is called a closed timelike curve, and there are detailed equations describing how it can theoretically arise as a consequence of the laws of General Relativity.

See my comments in post #4 about worldlines. Each of us is a 4-dimensional entity existing over a span of time as well as space. Who and where you are at any given moment is merely an instantaneous cross-section of the worldline that defines your entire 4-dimensional self. If your worldline passes through a time warp, it can loop back and run parallel to an earlier part of itself, like a loop in a string. If you take a cross-section of that string in the looped portion, you would see it occupying more than one point at the same time. But that doesn't mean there are two strings. It just means there's one string that passes through that point twice. One string, one worldline, one ship.
 
Isn't there an issue with the two instances intersecting? "...the time warp allowed that existence to overlap itself for 71 hours." So essentially, the Enterprise could encounter itself, which would present a paradox (much like if Marty McFly went over to greet himself, in "Back To The Future, part II"). Of course, Captain Kirk would probably make sure that the Enterprise would keep itself busy for a few days in a location where they hadn't been during that period in order to prevent it. Right?
 
^Well, I've said as much a couple of times already in this thread. I'm not saying a paradox is impossible, I'm saying that in this particular case there's an easy and obvious way to avoid a paradox, simply by keeping the ship out of its past self's way.
 
And the beauty of it is, there can never be any doubt Kirk would be able to stay out of his earlier way cause he never met his older self during those three days. :techman:

What happens when you don't stay away from yourself you can see in that TNG episode where they find that older Picard in a shuttlecraft drifting alone. Crazy shit! :guffaw:
 
More importantly. Would the crew get paid for those extra three days?

Yes, no matter how you look at it. From the standpoint of the shipboard frame of reference, it's six days of work. From the standpoint of an external frame of reference, it's only three work days...

...but everyone aboard worked double shifts. ;)
 
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