Spoilers So, what do we think of Season 2 now that it's done?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Charles Phipps, May 7, 2022.

  1. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011
    What the title says.

    We've seen all 10 episodes and how all of them fit together so how was the season as a whole?

    Personally, a lot of things I was upset about were tied together in the end and explained while things I thought would be weren't.

    So seeing it as a whole before judging it is something I feel is necessary.
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  2. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011


    STAR TREK: PICARD Season Two is something that I was deeply looking forward to from the moment it was announced as I was a huge fan of Season One. My impression of that season was that it had an extremely strong start but stumbled due to episode length. We didn't get enough follow up on events and were left with more mysteries than answers. Basically, I wished they had done THE LAST BEST HOPE by Una McCormick as a two parter to open it and added an epilogue to follow up on what happened after the events of the tenth episode.

    Still, I was very excited for the return of the cast and seeing how they would deal with the consequences of the first season. Unfortunately, the answer to that is generally: not at all. I think Doctor Jurati being cleared of murder charges due to mind-control was the only subject matter that got addressed. What about the Zhat Vash? What happened to them? What about Admiral Oh? Narek? Is the Federation going to work with the Romulans tracking down the terrorists who burned both of them? How about the ex-Borg?

    Instead, the series focuses much more on an entirely new storyline. After rejecting his employee, Laris (Orla Bradly) when she attempts to start a romantic relationship, Admiral Picard (Patrick Stewart, duh) is requested by the Federation to help with a First Contact scenario: a new race wants to join the Federation. Except, it's not a First Contact scenario, it's the Borg and things end disastrously with Picard blowing himself along with the rest of the heroes up.

    Like a script editor, this will not do for Q (John De Lancie) and he restores Picard as well as his merry band of miscreants to life. He proceeds to put them in what appears to be a dystopian version of the Federation and from there, Picard must take Seven (Jeri Ryan), Raffi (Michelle Hurd), Rios (Osvaldo Ríos Alonso), and Doctor Jurati (Alison Pill) to the 21st century in order to somehow prevent things. Due to contrived but entertaining circumstances, they also bring the Borg Queen (Annie Wersching). Characters Sonji (Isa Briones) and Elnor (Evan Evagora) have vastly reduced roles.

    Generally, the show swerves between zany comedy reminescent of Star Trek IV (with several homages) to that story and deep traumatic introspection, which is not always consistent. Captain Picard remembers his father as an abusive monster to his mother and her as a saint but there's a trick his memory is playing on him. I feel like the episodes might have benefited from picking a lane as it sometimes feels like they undermine each other's tone.

    There's also some areas where the actions on screen contradict what we're later told. For example, Q seems to be trying to achieve one thing in one episode before revealing that he was doing the exact opposite later (which is, admittedly, not out of character for Q).

    On the positive side of things, I think John De Lancie has lost absolutely none of his touch and preserves all the things we love about Q. He's Loki, Satan, and God all in one with a wide eyed grin as he destroys everything for the greater good or saves everyone for his own twisted amusement. The few scenes he and Patrick Stewart have are fantastic and he's also a bright spot in episodes where he deals with Adam Soong (Brent Spinner) or Kore (Isla Brione). Speaking of Soong, he is a bright spot in the show once they cast aside any moral ambiguity and just make him a straight-up Bond villain. Not every Star Trek antagonist can be misunderstood and this transformation gives some higher stakes when the story has perhaps too many moving parts.

    Indeed, the storyline is a labyrinthine web akin to one of Fox Mulder's conspiracy boards and we even get an homage to said character in one episode. "We have to go back in time with the Borg Queen's help to find the astronaut who needs to be on the mission that will create the Federation but Q is causing her to doubt herself. If she doubts herself, this will create the Confederacy in which Adam Soong will be their spiritual leader. Oh and the Borg Queen is playing both sides. All of this is related to Picard's traumatic childhood. Somehow. That's not getting into every individual character's subplots." It actually is 99% explained by the final episode but weirdly reads like a George R.R. Martin plot despite being written for television not a book.

    Thematically, the story is all about trauma and how we can't lose hope that things will get better. That the current troubles we face in 2022 will be things that we eventually overcome and make a better world from as long as we're understanding and willing to forgive. Except Silicon Valley tech billionaires. Don't forgive or try to understand them because they're completely awful. Borg Queens can be persuaded and negotiated with but not those guys. It's an argument that I'm actually pretty okay with.

    Negatively, is just about anything to do with time travel. This is a mess even by the standards of Star Trek and I can't help the season would have benefited from stripping out a lot of the extraneous fluff. "Picard goes to bed one day with his crew and they wake up in Evil Federation. Q then meets with them and says he's let them keep his memories because it amuses him to see them try to fix things Days of Futures Past style. Someone how has gone back in time to muck with the past. Maybe another Soong creation or Borg victim. Stop him. *snaps fingers*). Ito Aghayere does a good job as young Guinan but it's confusing to explain away Whoopi Goldberg's aging but not hers. Also, the change from "Time's Arrow." I mean, it's an easy fix. "My people go through periods of aging and de-aging due to our life cycle."

    Overall, I liked Picard season 2 a bit less than season 1 but still significantly more than a lot of Star Trek. The overcomplexity of the plot and "prestige television" format is something that I feel is hurting the shows, though, because they don't have enough episodes to resolve all the plots. I also was disappointed with the ending for some of the characters. While I didn't always like what they did, I say that the crew of the La Sirena is the one I like the most since Firefly's. I wanted a spin-off show with Rios or Seven as captain. Instead, most of them are very likely no longer going to be doing Star Trek by the end and that's a shame.

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  3. timtonruben359

    timtonruben359 Captain Captain

    Feb 27, 2012
    I'd give the season a 7/10. I think the first half was strong and then it all seemed to off the rails for me a bit and never achieved a fully formed and well-executed narrative. Also, I feel like the story line that Picard never married because of the trauma of his mother's death, doesn't actually align with his romances on TNG. For example, he wanted Nella Darren (I think that was her name, the one from that terrible music episode) to stay but she chose to leave. It was Beverly at the end of "Attached" who didn't want their relationship to go in a romantic direction, while Picard wanted it to. Vash left him too. He never actually ended relationships on the show. I can understand if maybe his mother's death was a reason he had trouble getting close to people at first but he was never not capable of lasting relationships...it was just his career always came first.

    Alison Pill was the unexpected highlight of the season for me. The Jurati/Borg Queen story is probably the best part of the whole season (and series to date). Her story is the only one I felt was fully realized and the conclusion made sense although why she didn't just show her face to begin with on the Stargazer is a whole different matter.

    I still enjoyed the season and there are some truly brilliant moments peppered throughout, but like season one, it feels like writers had a lot they wanted to accomplish but it just unravelled all over the place. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for season 3.
  4. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011
    To be fair, the Beverly/Picard mind-reading episode had it stated that Picard had been in love with her for decades.

    It was JACK CRUSHER'S DEATH that stood between them.

    So it was a story that never really needed a second answer.
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  5. XCV330

    XCV330 Premium Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    It was better than last season. Like an old family road trip vacation, it took too long to get where it was going, but it was nice to be there once there, and then it felt like it was over too soon.
  6. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    A type 13 planet in it's final stage
    Like season one, very uneven but I generally enjoyed it. Especially those last scenes with Q. My mother hated this season.
  7. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    The Wormhole
    It kept me entertained and therefore satisfied. I'm not calling it the best, but it's certainly not the worst either.
  8. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

    May 19, 2005
    Far North Chicago Suburbs
    I feel like there should be a poll.

    I'd give it an overall 8. A few episodes were 10's, including the last one. A few rough patches here and there, but nothing too obtrusive for me.

    I think the shorter episodes could have done with 10 extra minutes, as long as the extra material was good.
  9. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011
    If the mods could add one, I'd be very grateful.
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  10. DesolationGod

    DesolationGod Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    May 6, 2022
    I enjoyed it personally, Kept me entertained, kinda wish they spent more time in the confederation timeline tho. Also wonder if just Q died or the whole continuum because in discovery season 4 they mentioned they have not had contact in centuries.
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  11. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 19, 2013
    Bad Thoughts
    Almost everything Steve Shives said I agree with.

    There was never any need to explain Picard's reticence with personal relationships. Now that fucking key explains every hesitation, every ignored flirtation, every missed opportunity. Because a key, Beverly Crusher romanced a candle.

    The whole ICE storyline, as someone who is Mexican American whose relatives have been profiled as illegal immigrants, was vapid. We learned nothing meaningful, unless you can get out by being vaguely white and connected to well equipped people. I'm glad that Rios had a good ending. He was charming.

    The whole 2024 thing was meaningless as well. At least Past Tense dared to say we would need to take a hard look at our social problems. Instead, because a person found a thing, all our problems went away. Science!

    BTW, how did the Bajoran tablet fit into this?

    And almost all the new characters are gone. The only reason they kept Hurd was because she dared to hold Ryan's hand in season one. Sorry to see Soji and Elnor gone.

    So, fully disappinted.

    [ETA] I will credit the cast for working hard. This was a "make it work" moment.
  12. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011
    I'm going to be frank, I really hope Paramount didn't think they had to get rid of the old cast because of fan criticism of season one.

    The people who LIKED the show will always be a better audience than trying to attract people who hate it.
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  13. Norad

    Norad Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Aug 2, 2021
    Well, I read a lot of criticism about season 1, really an aweful lot. But the cast was rarely the focus of it, if mentioned at all in a bad way. If anything, most of the criticism started with "The acting was brilliant, but sadly the story/the CGI/the setting....".

    But, sure, sadly it still is very common for producers to have the following reaction: "Hey, they criticized our show! Ok, we have to change something. Let's just get rid of all the things the people didn't criticize! They will love it!"
  14. urbandefault

    urbandefault Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 3, 2013
    Sickbay, dammit.
    As with the first season, this one will be easier for some to watch as a whole instead of in weekly installments.

    I've enjoyed the ride for what it is and look forward to the next season.
  15. donners22

    donners22 Commodore Commodore

    Jul 12, 2001
    Fine, but with some missed opportunities.

    I enjoyed it overall, and there were some wonderful character moments (President Seven, any Queen/Jurati scene, young Guinan, Q/Picard - the final scene of which is the closest Trek has brought me to tears in a long time).

    However, there were other aspects which just felt unnecessary, like ICE and FBI, and the whole Soong thing also felt flat. That particularly grated when there was not enough time spent on characterisation - Rios' sudden love for the setting, skipping over Seven''s reaction to losing her Borg aspects, etc. The story threads never quite came together either.

    I was also very put off by the disposal of Jurati and Rios, seemingly for the sake of dusting off TNG characters - something which doesn't appeal to me at all.

    In short, much like every other modern Trek season - generally enjoyable overall, and with some excellent moments, but with a lot of issues in putting together a serialised story.
  16. gweeps

    gweeps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 30, 2022
    Ontario, Canada
    7/10 or 3.5/5

    I enjoyed the acting, cinematography, and the general overarching plot. But there was too much fluff, unanswered questions, and missed opportunities for character development. The season should have been 15 episodes if they were going to tell such a wide-ranging story. There was a lot of exposition and people doing things without much buildup, and so the viewer had to hypothesize what happened in between scenes, much like the time between the two seasons, and now some of what showed up at the end of episode 10.

    John de Lancie, Orla Brady, Annie Wersching and Alison Pill were the highlights for me.

    I loved the easter eggs sprinkled throughout the season as well. And there were some scenes I won't soon forget, particularly the ones with Q.
  17. Norad

    Norad Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Aug 2, 2021
    In my opinion it was better than season 1, but still it felt widely uneven and way too long for the story they were telling. It think it would have worked best as a three-parter.
    On the other hand, the writers obviously rely on the fact that the memory of the audience fades with time.
    e.g. with the Jurati reveal the behavior of the Covered Borg Queen in episode 1 was way to hostile

    They had some nice scenes especially in the first and last episode, but there are quite some things of the main story that don't fit well.
    E.g. Q's plan. Why exactly is "showing Picard a fascist alternative timeline" a reasonable way to make him deal with his childhood trauma? For the audience, there is ZERO connection between these two things.
  18. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

    Aug 23, 2003
    Tacoma, Washington
    It has some pacing issues and I was frustrated with a couple of plot threads that essentially went nowhere, but I was happy with how the story ended, which makes up for a lot. It wasn't a great season by a long shot, but far from the worst season in a franchise that includes original series season 3, Next Generation season 1 and Enterprise season 2.
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  19. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011
    Eh, Q is also arranging it so that he trusts the Borg Queen and that the not-evil Borg can exist in the first place.
  20. Relayer1

    Relayer1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 21, 2011
    The Black Country, England
    Haven't seen the last episode yet so won't attempt an overall assessment, but not having seen the last episode yet is quite telling.