So, was it mysogyny that made the difference?
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I had assumed (with no real onscreen evidence to back me up!) that there are gradations for the phaser settings (just like in the Prime Universe), and when Uhura beamed down her phaser was set on a 'heavier stun' setting because the Good Guys (and Gals!) had realized that that lower stun setting that Scotty had used earlier had not been effective in immobilizing Khan.
Yeah he dropped and waited to see how it all played out. He was in complete control.
It makes more tactical sense to pretend so that Scotty gets closer so he can take him out rather than reveal that he can stand it because then Kirk will also fire on him and maybe two phasers at once is enough to put him out.
Khan was faking it.
Accusing the filmmakers of "mysogyny" when there's a minor inconsistency like that is yelling "wolf" anyway. Yeah, like someone decided that boy phasers are more powerful than girl phasers.
Accusing the filmmakers of "mysogyny" when there's a minor inconsistency like that is yelling "wolf" anyway. Yeah, like someone decided that boy phasers are more powerful than girl phasers.
I don't mean he wasn't in power. I meant that he seemed to lose it, there.
I wonder with all his genetic engineering if some of his senses have been enhanced... like hearing - how far away was he when Kirk tells Scotty to drop him after they get to the bridge?
You really can't think of any other possibility for this happening other than the makers of the film hating women? That's just sad. While it would be great to be a writer or director, it must suck to have people accuse you of some pretty heinous things for the most insignificant or flat out incorrect reasons.
I never knew that when Janeway sloughed off being assimilated like it was no big deal while Picard was devastated by it, that it was indicative of the writers secretly hating men. But wait, you say, that was different because that can be explained! Yeah, well, so can this, quite easily in fact if you're not deliberately looking for the worst possible explanation for everything.
There's plenty of real misogyny in the world to criticize without blaming an inconsistent depiction of phaser power --which wasn't even inconsistent, since as explained Khan was playing possum when Scotty stunned him-- on woman hating writers and directors. Especially when the scene features Uhura, who was basically the Enterprise's switchboard operator in TOS, bravely beaming down to the exterior of a fast moving aircraft to try and stun Khan and inform Spock that they need him alive to save Kirk. Clearly just a damsel in distress tied to the train tracks.
We see from how he tries this move on Spock that it's one of his pet ways of killing people. Must be something satisfying about the crack at the end.
I'm going to speculate too that Uhura had her phaser on an even lower stun setting than Scotty did because she didn't know how damaged Khan would be and she didn't want to risk killing him. The stakes were too high.
Khan was faking it.
Accusing the filmmakers of "mysogyny" when there's a minor inconsistency like that is yelling "wolf" anyway. Yeah, like someone decided that boy phasers are more powerful than girl phasers.
But that's how it played out. You can make up excuses afterwards, but she shot him several times and nothing.
An interesting theory.
Well, if you read the thread, I said that I didn't think it was intentional, but rather a kind of misogyny that is acted on without thought. If you think that doesn't exist, then that's what is sad because it does.
And heinous? Please use that word when I accuse them of being murderers. You'll be waiting for quite a while, though. I don't think what I brought up is insignificant at all.
Well, first of all, I didn't say anything of the sort, so please do not put words in my mouth. I would think that you could do better than that.
Since you are bringing up two separate series with different writers that I don't even know about, I'm just going to get back to discussing this movie.
And when was that explained within the film?
Wow, you just keep putting words in my mouth while you are quite clearly in a huff. While I never called her a damsel in distress, I honestly am not sure that she "saved the day" as someone else said she did. I think there were some problems with the way she was used in this film, and I hope they do better in the next one. As I mentioned before, I think she was handled well in the first film, but I guess you're too busy with your blind anger to have read that.
Of course it exists, but going out of your way to find it in the most innocuous things is neither fair nor productive and does more damage than good. Also, for someone who gets upset over people allegedly speaking on your behalf when clearly they weren't, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about what they know or don't know.
I think accusing them of misogyny or racism, two things they've been accused of (not both by you, just in general), are pretty serious.
It's the very definition of the word. How many times have phasers and other technology been inconsistently depicted in Star Trek over the years? To make a leap of logic to misogyny from inconsistent writing (which this wasn't even an example of either) is ridiculous.
Really? You thought my using an obviously hypothetical response from your future self to my comparison was seriously trying to put prior words in your mouth? How does that work, exactly?
When Khan was stunned by Scotty and ten seconds later opened his eyes on the ground to show that he was not stunned at all, only acting like he was to gain an advantage.
Do they have to put a big neon sign calling attention to it for it to count?
No anger, blind or otherwise, but I could see why you would want to dismiss it as that given the flimsiness of your argument. I just don't care for unfair accusations to be thrown people's way for ridiculous and lazy reasons, like not being able to think of any other explanation besides misogyny for the two different phaser stun scenes.
I wonder that as well. When I saw the movie the second time around, I thought "hum... he's still pretty close, guys."
Playing possum versus already in a fight.
I'm pretty sure in the Eugenics novels they had superior hearing. And even if he didn't hear Kirk (which I suspect he did) he knows Kirk doesn't trust him and now that Kirk sees it as two against one he will make a move.
Pfft.... Spock had him beat.
But that's your interpretation. Don't you think that maybe you're looking for more into this than there is ?
I wonder what would've happened if Kirk didn't betray him first. The script clearly wants us to believe Khan would have betrayed them anyway, but really we don't know that.
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