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So this is why we have red lightsabers

The thing is, even if Luke was using Qui-Gon's old crystal, the presented nature of building a new lightsaber (and by doing so indicates to Vader that Luke has indeed become powerful as the Emperor foresaw) means that Luke needed to bond with the crystal during construction of the new weapon. It might not entirely matter where he got it, just that he completed the trail of building it via the Force in order for it to work.

Something that use to be a thing that it seems all of Anakin's lightsabers could do, but has never been shown, is variable blade length. The older EU had Anakin (Darth Vader) using multiple crystals in his lightsabers so he could get multiple functions out of them including being able to adjust the length of his blade by several meters. We have never seem this on screen, and was only done in a few comics and novels by other Jedi and Sith.
 
^I think there was a line in Rebels where Kanan was giving Ezra his first lesson that mentioned a control to adjust the length to suit his height, so it's entirely possible that they all have that function. Which when you think about it, makes sense. In theory, the weapon a padawan builds in their Gathering could remain with them for the rest of their lives (in peace time, anyway) and most padawans are likely to grow taller over that time (especially Wookies!) so for the first few years, they'd have to be re-adjusting their blade length on a semi-regular basis.

They also, apparently have a low power training mode, which is a neat (and very sneaky) way to account for the dodgy rotoscoping in the remote scene in ANH.
 
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I have issue with the new idea only so far as the construction of a saber, and the use of sabers by other individuals. First of all, what is Mace's personality that he has a purple saber? In the Old EU, the crystals were a gift to him from a diplomacy mission. Now, he apparently hovers between light and dark? Or, he bleeds purple?

Secondly, if the original saber has a connection to the crafter, why would the crystal reach out to other individuals, like Rey or Ezra?

Finally, can you still do improvise a saber?

I'm on the fence on this concept as I think it doesn't add to the lore in an entirely beneficial way, but I could accept it. Right now, it just feels like midiclorians to me.
 
I think it's a really cool idea, I love the idea of the lightsabers being more than just a simple piece of technology. Star Wars is basically fantasy, and fantasy stories are filled with magical weapons, from Mjolnir to Excaliber.
 
I don't mind some lightsabers having these magical qualities, but I don't think every single one needs to be that way.
 
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Seems to me that Star Wars is meant to be a whole lot more simple than this.
 
I know but I've always seen Star Wars as an action movie in space. The lightsabers are red because they are the baddies - thats all the explanation I need.
I'm not that much of a fan of Star Wars so I guess I dont have as much appreciation for the lore like hardcore fans would.
Fair enough.
Yeah, I get that. The thing is this new explanation for the red blades likely won't ever actually be heard in any of the movies, so fans like yourself who don't really go looking for this kind of info won't really be missing out on anything. It's just a neat little addition to the lore, but ultimately a minor one.
 
People spend the last four decades or so trying to come up with a reason why the lightsabers worked in a scientific way. In the end, they authors have decided to just call it magic like the space fantasy it was at the start.
 
I have issue with the new idea only so far as the construction of a saber, and the use of sabers by other individuals. First of all, what is Mace's personality that he has a purple saber? In the Old EU, the crystals were a gift to him from a diplomacy mission. Now, he apparently hovers between light and dark? Or, he bleeds purple?

Again, you're taking the "bleeding" thing too literally. But you're right in that we don't yet know what, if any significance the colour the blade turns has for the Jedi who built them. Only that blue and green are by far the most common, while purple and white/silver/clear are very rare, but not unheard of.

As for yellow/gold: it's been said that the Temple Guardians essentially give up their individuality to serve the order as part of a whole (hence the uniforms and masks) so perhaps that has something to do with it? Or maybe those sabers were all made by the same ancient weapons master, long ago so they all bare his unique impression, despite having been issued to many Guardians down the centuries?

It would feel symbolically appropriate if the Guardians had laid down the individual blades they made for themselves as padawans and took up the traditional weapons of the Temple Guard. But that's just me speculating.

Secondly, if the original saber has a connection to the crafter, why would the crystal reach out to other individuals, like Rey or Ezra?

It's still a bit of an open question whether it's the crystal itself that calls out or whether it simply resonates with the person who is "destined" (in the always-in-motion future) to wield them. Either for the first time, or ro reclaim them after the previous owner is gone. A little predestination paradox seems par for the course with force visions. ;)

Finally, can you still do improvise a saber?

That's pretty much how Ahsoka built her second set. It's more involved than this but basically she'd been collecting bits of scrap and tech in a little bag for most of the year without really understanding why. When it came time that she needed to take up the saber again...

...she understood that the force had been guiding her to this and knowing she still needed crystals, stopped by Iilum. Predictably, the Empire was already there strip mining the place, so that was out. So, knowing there were other places in the galaxy with kyber crystals, she reached out with her mind and the force led her right back to where she'd just come from. Specifically to the two crystals in the hilt of an Inquisitor's saber.
After defeating him, she began assembling the new weapons from her various salvaged sources and in the process, sensed that they crystals had been taken from fallen Jedi and dominated to serve the dark side (hence they turned red.) When she bonded with these two crystals that had called out to her, she undid the unnatural bond the dark siders had imposed upon it and the crystals both turned clear. Much to her surprise.

Again though, the exact meaning of them turning white is open to interpretation. It could reflect Ahsoka's nature as a non-jedi light sider, her life force being restored by The Daughter, or it could be the result of the crystals themselves being restored to the light. Or it could mean something else entirely. We simply don't know.

For what it's worth, there was another Jedi with a white blade, but without knowing the circumstances of how he forged that weapon, we can't really make a conclusive comparison.

I'm on the fence on this concept as I think it doesn't add to the lore in an entirely beneficial way, but I could accept it. Right now, it just feels like midiclorians to me.

It seems to be just as wilfully misunderstood a concept in some quarters as midichlorians, I'll give you that.

I would ask though: what harm do you think it does to the lore to make the lightsabers more than mere weapons, but a very real connection to the force? Now we know not just anyone can build them, that the crystals themselves have power and they have a deep connection to the Jedi that forged them.

It's not like the sabers have a mind of their own or anything or can choose who wields them (as evidenced by Anakin, Grevious and Vizla.) It's more like the spirit of the one that forged the blade leave an impression of themselves upon it in the making and visa-versa.

People spend the last four decades or so trying to come up with a reason why the lightsabers worked in a scientific way. In the end, they authors have decided to just call it magic like the space fantasy it was at the start.

Or perhaps more aptly: a mixture of science and magic, just like Star Wars. ;)
 
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I would ask though: what harm do you think it does to the lore to make the lightsabers more than mere weapons, but a very real connection to the force? Now we know not just anyone can build them, that the crystals themselves have power and they have a deep connection to the Jedi that forged them.
Because they're NOT exclusive to Jedi/Sith. Those crystals are used everywhere, including the big honking laser on the Death Star. Which, apparently, was either a Jedi or crafted by Jedi engineers due to how greeny green green it was. And then you have all the ones in blasters that pretty much everyone else in the galaxy uses. Or are there Sith who just sit around making the blasters for Stormtroopers in their free time, too?

And -- yet again -- Obi-Wan made it abundantly clear that they were just an archaic weapon from an older time. There was nothing 'magical' about them anymore than a katana is magical to a samurai. Revered, respected, and admired and often given tall tales of their legendary status, sure; but hardly magical. Certainly not when there's 4,518,345,793,451,358,913,451 of them floating around. Kind of hard to take something as being special and magical when there's four-and-a-half sextillion (slight hyperbole) of the fuckers all over the place.
 
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Do you know of any lightsabers built by non-Force users?
No, but given the preeminence of blasters, I wouldn't expect it either.
Yeah, I get that. The thing is this new explanation for the red blades likely won't ever actually be heard in any of the movies, so fans like yourself who don't really go looking for this kind of info won't really be missing out on anything. It's just a neat little addition to the lore, but ultimately a minor one.
Then why add it to the lore at all?
Again, you're taking the "bleeding" thing too literally. But you're right in that we don't yet know what, if any significance the colour the blade turns has for the Jedi who built them. Only that blue and green are by far the most common, while purple and white/silver/clear are very rare, but not unheard of.
No, I'm asking questions as to the consequences of this new idea within the lore. Colors of lightsabers have been given significance for decades in EU and video games and such, so this new idea is one that I'm going to question.
As for yellow/gold: it's been said that the Temple Guardians essentially give up their individuality to serve the order as part of a whole (hence the uniforms and masks) so perhaps that has something to do with it? Or maybe those sabers were all made by the same ancient weapons master, long ago so they all bare his unique impression, despite having been issued to many Guardians down the centuries?


It would feel symbolically appropriate if the Guardians had laid down the individual blades they made for themselves as padawans and took up the traditional weapons of the Temple Guard. But that's just me speculating.
I like the idea of the Jedi Guards, but that also lends credence to my idea that Palpatine is the one providing crystals to Vader, and the Inquisitors. Of course, synthetic crystals work just as well for that purpose.

It's still a bit of an open question whether it's the crystal itself that calls out or whether it simply resonates with the person who is "destined" (in the always-in-motion future) to wield them. Either for the first time, or ro reclaim them after the previous owner is gone. A little predestination paradox seems par for the course with force visions. ;)
Certainly, which is fine given the stories told. It just muddies the waters a bit if the crystal itself has the impression of the crafter and thus why would it call to different people?


That's pretty much how Ahsoka built her second set. It's more involved than this but basically she'd been collecting bits of scrap and tech in a little bag for most of the year without really understanding why. When it came time that she needed to take up the saber again...

...she understood that the force had been guiding her to this and knowing she still needed crystals, stopped by Iilum. Predictably, the Empire was already there strip mining the place, so that was out. So, knowing there were other places in the galaxy with kyber crystals, she reached out with her mind and the force led her right back to where she'd just come from. Specifically to the two crystals in the hilt of an Inquisitor's saber.
After defeating him, she began assembling the new weapons from her various salvaged sources and in the process, sensed that they crystals had been taken from fallen Jedi and dominated to serve the dark side (hence they turned red.) When she bonded with these two crystals that had called out to her, she undid the unnatural bond the dark siders had imposed upon it and the crystals both turned clear. Much to her surprise.

Again though, the exact meaning of them turning white is open to interpretation. It could reflect Ahsoka's nature as a non-jedi light sider, her life force being restored by The Daughter, or it could be the result of the crystals themselves being restored to the light. Or it could mean something else entirely. We simply don't know.

For what it's worth, there was another Jedi with a white blade, but without knowing the circumstances of how he forged that weapon, we can't really make a conclusive comparison.
Yeah, lots we don't know. Which is why I question this addition to the lore. Thus far it adds a lot of questions and complicates what has already been seen, and I have yet to see the benefit of the addition.


It seems to be just as wilfully misunderstood a concept in some quarters as midichlorians, I'll give you that.

I would ask though: what harm do you think it does to the lore to make the lightsabers more than mere weapons, but a very real connection to the force? Now we know not just anyone can build them, that the crystals themselves have power and they have a deep connection to the Jedi that forged them.

It's not like the sabers have a mind of their own or anything or can choose who wields them (as evidenced by Anakin, Grevious and Vizla.) It's more like the spirit of the one that forged the blade leave an impression of themselves upon it in the making and visa-versa.
Because they already were a connection in the Force. That the creator of the saber made an impression upon the weapon, and made it specially was a part of the EU already. The Jedi had a very special connection with their saber by virtue of the fact that they constructed it. They chose the components and assembled them to reflect themselves and their inspiration, which is why Obi-Wan's first saber resemble Qui-Gon's and Luke's new saber resembled Obi-Wan's. It wasn't just the crystal that was important, but the whole construction process.

Now, obviously, the crystal still has some meaning, as the Jedi had a lightsaber ceremony that went with construction. I believe this is from Clone Wars:
The crystal is the heart of the blade.

The heart is the crystal of the Jedi.

The Jedi is the crystal of the Force.

The Force is the blade of the heart. All are intertwined: The crystal,The blade,The Jedi.

You are one.

- Traditional Jedi lightsaber ceremony

So, it's not like the crystal was somehow unimportant before this revelation. But, the overall weapon was the more important part and resonated in the Force with the person wielding it.

The reason why I struggle and am uncertain is because I think it needlessly complicates it. Why the crystal becomes the more important thing? Note, I'm not expecting anyone to have an answer as of yet, but these are my questions that I have.
 
I like the idea of the Jedi Guards, but that also lends credence to my idea that Palpatine is the one providing crystals to Vader, and the Inquisitors. Of course, synthetic crystals work just as well for that purpose.

The Inquisitors almost certainly since, again in the Ahsoka novel, it's said that "Lightsaber construction was a Jedi art of the highest order." which presumably also applies to Sith and seems to be backed up by Vader's line to Luke in RotJ. It's no coincidence that it is among the final trials for a Initiate to become a Padawan.
Inquisitors seem to only get the barest minimum of training to make them able to perform their function as bloodhounds and beaters, so it's doubtful they're given this level of insight.

Vader however (and the Grand Inquisitor, obviously) is perfectly capable of making his own and has had plenty of opportunity to claim a crystal from the weapons of fallen Jedi. Indeed, after the temple massacre they probably have quite the overstock (assuming they haven't been put to other uses.) Plus of course given how many times Anakin damaged or destroyed his previous sabres, he probably has more experience in it that anyone else in the order. ;)

If I had to guess, I'd say Vader's crystal was claimed from Windu's saber. Presumably it fell onto the grounds of the Senate building a certainly wouldn't have been left lying around there for long. It also seems appropriate give that it belonged to the first person Vader killed (mythologically speaking.)

Certainly, which is fine given the stories told. It just muddies the waters a bit if the crystal itself has the impression of the crafter and thus why would it call to different people?

You're asking for a logical answer to a mythical question. What are Mjolnir's criteria for "worthiness"? How does Excalibur know Arther was the true and rightful king?

The short answer here is that the crystals don't choose so much as the force guides the Jedi to their crystals. It may be as simple as the crystals best suited/more compatible for them, or something deeper. Destiny in an inherently circular concept. Also remember that the "impression of the crafter" doesn't prevent anyone else from using it, just provides the one that forged it with a deeper connection. It's a part of them.

Yeah, lots we don't know. Which is why I question this addition to the lore. Thus far it adds a lot of questions and complicates what has already been seen, and I have yet to see the benefit of the addition.

So do you want more information, less, or all of it all the mysteries solved all at once? Having questions is a good thing, it means there's still some mystery left to uncover. Personally I prefer things to be revealed naturally and at the appropriate time. In the mean time, it's fun to speculate and try to puzzle it out oneself with the pieces at hand.

Because they already were a connection in the Force. That the creator of the saber made an impression upon the weapon, and made it specially was a part of the EU already. The Jedi had a very special connection with their saber by virtue of the fact that they constructed it. They chose the components and assembled them to reflect themselves and their inspiration, which is why Obi-Wan's first saber resemble Qui-Gon's and Luke's new saber resembled Obi-Wan's. It wasn't just the crystal that was important, but the whole construction process.

In the EU, it varied quite drastically how important or special lightsaber crystals were depending on the author. There was no set doctrine. Some said you could use almost anything, including common gemstones. Other said only adegan crystals would do. Others still said that the best kind were simply rare. Not intrinsically special, just higher quality. Very few made any kind of connection to the force. The weapon was simply a weapon. That force users built them was credited more to the delicate care and precision in aligning the focusing assemblies with the force than anything deeper.

With this new lore, constructing a saber isn't just a test of technical skill or scavenger hunting, but also one of spiritual insight. It doesn't complicate the matter, it adds depth and meaning.

Take the aforementioned line from Vader in RotJ: "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete. Indeed you are powerful, as the Emperor has foreseen."

Now with the new lore this implicitly means "you were able to seek out and forge a connection to the crystal, then assemble the blade unsupervised"

In the the old lore, this statement basically means "hey, you can use a soldering iron and focus a beam! Good Job!"

I don't know about you, but I think the former is a much stronger qualification for the "indeed you are powerful..." part. ;)

Now, obviously, the crystal still has some meaning, as the Jedi had a lightsaber ceremony that went with construction. I believe this is from Clone Wars:

That's from the micro series IIRC, so not in canon and thus could do with being restated in something that is. Again though, nothing here is being contradicted, only elaborated on.

So, it's not like the crystal was somehow unimportant before this revelation. But, the overall weapon was the more important part and resonated in the Force with the person wielding it.

The hilt is just refined metal and wires. A made thing. No more in tune with the force than a droid. The crystals are a product of nature and not to get all new-agey, but these particular ones seem to almost be alive in a sense. Though perhaps it's more accurate to say they resonate within the living force. Reflecting, focusing and amplifying rather than generating it as life does.

So yeah, it makes much more thematic sense for the crystal to be the key component and the source of a tangible connection to the force.

The reason why I struggle and am uncertain is because I think it needlessly complicates it. Why the crystal becomes the more important thing? Note, I'm not expecting anyone to have an answer as of yet, but these are my questions that I have.

I'd like to hear how exactly does this complicate anything? Can you give examples? Honestly I just don't see it.
 
Honestly, I don't see what it adds. I'm not trying to be obtuse, but, having read several different aspects of lightsabers, combat and history, I don't think it adds to the lore. You're doing a great job of trying to explain it and how you like it, but it isn't clicking for me.
The Inquisitors almost certainly since, again in the Ahsoka novel, it's said that "Lightsaber construction was a Jedi art of the highest order." which presumably also applies to Sith and seems to be backed up by Vader's line to Luke in RotJ. It's no coincidence that it is among the final trials for a Initiate to become a Padawan.
Inquisitors seem to only get the barest minimum of training to make them able to perform their function as bloodhounds and beaters, so it's doubtful they're given this level of insight.

Vader however (and the Grand Inquisitor, obviously) is perfectly capable of making his own and has had plenty of opportunity to claim a crystal from the weapons of fallen Jedi. Indeed, after the temple massacre they probably have quite the overstock (assuming they haven't been put to other uses.) Plus of course given how many times Anakin damaged or destroyed his previous sabres, he probably has more experience in it that anyone else in the order. ;)
Anakin was certainly good at loosing his saber. The Quartermaster at the Temple was probably rolling his eyes every time Anakin came up for more components.
If I had to guess, I'd say Vader's crystal was claimed from Windu's saber. Presumably it fell onto the grounds of the Senate building a certainly wouldn't have been left lying around there for long. It also seems appropriate give that it belonged to the first person Vader killed (mythologically speaking.)
I could see that as a possibility, though it begs the question as to what made Mace's crystal purple. Also, why would Anakin choose that particular crystal? Anakin strikes me as the kind of person of forging his own connection with something unique, not accepting hand-me-downs.

You're asking for a logical answer to a mythical question. What are Mjolnir's criteria for "worthiness"? How does Excalibur know Arther was the true and rightful king?
This always amuses me-in real life I am expected to be skeptical of my religious upbringing. But, in a story I have to accept it? :vulcan:
If this is the answer, than "Red=bad" and Blue/green/purple=good" is just as valid.

The short answer here is that the crystals don't choose so much as the force guides the Jedi to their crystals. It may be as simple as the crystals best suited/more compatible for them, or something deeper. Destiny in an inherently circular concept. Also remember that the "impression of the crafter" doesn't prevent anyone else from using it, just provides the one that forged it with a deeper connection. It's a part of them.
Which was already pat of the lore.

So do you want more information, less, or all of it all the mysteries solved all at once? Having questions is a good thing, it means there's still some mystery left to uncover. Personally I prefer things to be revealed naturally and at the appropriate time. In the mean time, it's fun to speculate and try to puzzle it out oneself with the pieces at hand.
I don't mind asking questions. I love it, I love discussion, but I also get frustrated when I'm told "This is how it is-accept it." Well, it's a fictional world that I have engaged with since I was 8. I don't blindly accept anything now. So, yes, I have questions, and if I find answers lacking, then I'll question them further.



In the EU, it varied quite drastically how important or special lightsaber crystals were depending on the author. There was no set doctrine. Some said you could use almost anything, including common gemstones. Other said only adegan crystals would do. Others still said that the best kind were simply rare. Not intrinsically special, just higher quality. Very few made any kind of connection to the force. The weapon was simply a weapon. That force users built them was credited more to the delicate care and precision in aligning the focusing assemblies with the force than anything deeper.

With this new lore, constructing a saber isn't just a test of technical skill or scavenger hunting, but also one of spiritual insight. It doesn't complicate the matter, it adds depth and meaning.

Take the aforementioned line from Vader in RotJ: "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete. Indeed you are powerful, as the Emperor has foreseen."

Now with the new lore this implicitly means "you were able to seek out and forge a connection to the crystal, then assemble the blade unsupervised"

In the the old lore, this statement basically means "hey, you can use a soldering iron and focus a beam! Good Job!"

I don't know about you, but I think the former is a much stronger qualification for the "indeed you are powerful..." part. ;)
I think there is more to it than that, but I don't feel the need to argue the point further. Suffice to say, Luke's ability to construct a lightsaber was a an accomplishment in of itself, as the knowledge to make one would be limited, by design of the Emperor. The implication that Luke's ability to forge a connection with a crystal makes him more powerful is something I don't see.


That's from the micro series IIRC, so not in canon and thus could do with being restated in something that is. Again though, nothing here is being contradicted, only elaborated on.
Thank you. Couldn't remember.

The hilt is just refined metal and wires. A made thing. No more in tune with the force than a droid. The crystals are a product of nature and not to get all new-agey, but these particular ones seem to almost be alive in a sense. Though perhaps it's more accurate to say they resonate within the living force. Reflecting, focusing and amplifying rather than generating it as life does.

So yeah, it makes much more thematic sense for the crystal to be the key component and the source of a tangible connection to the force.
That's a point I had not considered, and certainly is an interesting facet to the construction. I'll grant that.

However, I'll still dispute that the crystal changing color in response to the contructor is unnecessary.

I'd like to hear how exactly does this complicate anything? Can you give examples? Honestly I just don't see it.
First of all, if the weapon is connected to the user, how do they keep losing their weapons? No, I'm not talking physics of combat or what have you, but why is a trope of them constantly losing it if they are connected to it in a way that is very unique?

I think this works with Luke who, in ROTJ, especially, he is able to call his saber to him even after discarding it or falling. In the PT, well, it's Anakin-need I say more?

Secondly, this is a small bit of lore that ends up putting way to much emphasis on the lightsaber and not on the Force. The Force is greater than the saber not the other way around. Now, I already see the counterargument that the saber color will reflect the fact that a Jedi was able to construct a saber and connect with the crystal in a meaningful way, which is then reflected in the color of the blade. But, why is a lightsaber the focus? Why not a connection with the Force?

As a follow up, I don't really have a solid example. I think that this bit of lore focuses too much on the saber, and adds to the mysticism in a way that is unnecessary. However, I am looking forward to your reply :beer:

ETA: Since I think on these things way, way, too much, I want to add a bit of clarification. My main objection is that the color of the crystal is changed during the construction process rather than the Jedi selecting the color or the Sith constructing the color crystal they want.

I don't think there is anything taken away from the lightsaber by keeping its connection to the constructor by the Force. However, I think the color change to the crystal is a curious addition, one that adds the question of why blue and green are reflected by the Jedi.
 
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An oddity that has not been covered is the general meaning of the colors in the present canon and the older canon and EU materials had their own idea of what blade colors meant. At first the blades were going to all be white. Than they made them blue and red in post. Red for the bad guy and blue for the good guys. That location shooting changed Luke's blade to green. Than decades later Windu gets a purple blade and yellow blades get seen from time to time...that we get white blades again. There was little reasoning given and the Jedi Guardian, Councilor, and Sentinel, half went away.

Things we know presently. The Jedi Temple Guards used yellow lightsaber staffs. Mace Windu had a purple lightsaber which so far has been fairly unique. All the known dark siders use red blades, and it seems the reusing one of these crystals in a new lightsaber for a light sider will turn the blade white.

Why is Windu's blade purple? The old logic stems from the idea of combining colors in light, blue + red = purple. Light side (blue) + Dark side (red) equals a balanced aggressive combat style (purple). This was how it is usually taken. There is another angle though. Taking the colors in the light spectrum. Red is on one end and blue in on the other...however purple is even farther away from red than blue. Could Windu be even farthing into the light side than those who use blue blades? Are those that use green blades tapping into the dark side slightly? Would the yellow blades be the balance between the two as a sign of those that serve the balancing scale of justice. That doesn't explain Anakin's blue blade, nor Yoda's green blade.

Perhaps it is also a state of mind while making said lightsaber. Ahsoka's first blade is green, but her second is almost yellow after she'd been training under Anakin and fought a bunch in the Clone Wars. Luke's is green after he's been tempted by the dark side and uses some darker powers (force choke for instance). We have no idea how old Yoda's saber is. Master Sinube's blade could be white or it might be a very pale blue (also a nice walking stick).

But there is also the weaponized kyber crystals that seem to put out green beams. Maybe that will be touch on with Rogue One or a tie in related to it.
 
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