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So, this 'Babylon 5' thing better be good...

Update-
I'm 15 episodes into Season 5 (last one I watched was "Darkness Ascending")
So far I can't say I'm really getting the Season 5 hate, yes it's not as good as 3 & 4 maybe, there've been a few filler eps but there's still plenty of interesting stuff. Perhaps it's a result of watching the whole thing back-to-back rather than week in week out?

I was a bit worried about the introduction of another new Captain, but I was surprised with how little Lockley had featured essentially thus far. The telepaths-on-B5- plot did seem a bit stretched out though, and Byron was just an annoying prick with one of those faces that says "punch me" written on it.


Oh and also- Rebo & Zooty? Are these guys meant to be funny? Seriously? As I found every scene they were in and their "hilarious antics" just plain embarrassing.


Anyway, can't wait to see what happens with the possible Centuari war stuff
 
Update-
I'm 15 episodes into Season 5 (last one I watched was "Darkness Ascending")
So far I can't say I'm really getting the Season 5 hate, yes it's not as good as 3 & 4 maybe, there've been a few filler eps but there's still plenty of interesting stuff. Perhaps it's a result of watching the whole thing back-to-back rather than week in week out?

I was a bit worried about the introduction of another new Captain, but I was surprised with how little Lockley had featured essentially thus far. The telepaths-on-B5- plot did seem a bit stretched out though, and Byron was just an annoying prick with one of those faces that says "punch me" written on it.


Oh and also- Rebo & Zooty? Are these guys meant to be funny? Seriously? As I found every scene they were in and their "hilarious antics" just plain embarrassing.
I think DVD viewing makes all the difference in the world. I didn't have any problems with Season 5 either (aside from thinking Byron was a giant douche).

Rebo & Zooty...when I saw this episode for the first time, I could not believe they got fucking Penn & Teller to play them. I groaned when they first showed up and just knew that the episode would be painful to watch.

I do not understand how Penn & Teller ever became famous. They're fucking awful.
 
They're not that famous in Britian, and I haven't seen much of their stuff, but I know who they are. They do seem quite annoying.
Their guest appearance did just seem very out of place
 
Update-
I'm 15 episodes into Season 5 (last one I watched was "Darkness Ascending")
So far I can't say I'm really getting the Season 5 hate, yes it's not as good as 3 & 4 maybe, there've been a few filler eps but there's still plenty of interesting stuff. Perhaps it's a result of watching the whole thing back-to-back rather than week in week out?

I was a bit worried about the introduction of another new Captain, but I was surprised with how little Lockley had featured essentially thus far. The telepaths-on-B5- plot did seem a bit stretched out though, and Byron was just an annoying prick with one of those faces that says "punch me" written on it.


Oh and also- Rebo & Zooty? Are these guys meant to be funny? Seriously? As I found every scene they were in and their "hilarious antics" just plain embarrassing.
I think DVD viewing makes all the difference in the world. I didn't have any problems with Season 5 either (aside from thinking Byron was a giant douche).

Rebo & Zooty...when I saw this episode for the first time, I could not believe they got fucking Penn & Teller to play them. I groaned when they first showed up and just knew that the episode would be painful to watch.

I do not understand how Penn & Teller ever became famous. They're fucking awful.

I always assumed that the point about Reebo and Zootie - and this is very much an example of jms being too clever for his own good - is that if you know their routines a mention of a catchphrase will get you splitting your sides, but if you don't, they'll leave you cold and uncomprehending.

Real world example... if you say to someone British (of the right age) lines like "Short fat hairy legs," "The play wot I wrote," or "A pint? That's very nearly an armful!" they'll crack up at the memory of the set-up, but an American would go "What the hell? Why's that funny?", just as British audiences were totally nonplussed when Moonlighting did a Honeymooners parody.

It's a clever point to try and make through Reebo and Zootie... but I don't think it worked.
 
I was always a DS9 fan, but I have to say this is totally different. Yes, it took me the best part of 16 years to get into this but I'm enjoying it. It's just getting interesting as I start the 3rd season.
 
JMS said in posts that Rebo & Zooty were supposed to be 'stoopid' and polarizing and were based on the Three Stooges, who some people love and some people hate. I'm more of a Marx Brothers man, meself!
 
I watched the final B5 installment I had not seen the other day, Legend of the Rangers.

Boy was that an anti-climax, I wish i'd not left it til last, it was fucking atrocious. :lol:
 
It's certainly not the franchise finale :D While I hated it back in '02 I recently rewatched it and enjoyed it a lot more than I remembered, just as an action piece.
 
It's certainly not the franchise finale :D While I hated it back in '02 I recently rewatched it and enjoyed it a lot more than I remembered, just as an action piece.

I personally don't care much for Legend of the Rangers. Nor for the Lost Tales either. They should have left it alone afer Crusade.
 
Had the franchise ended with the first half of The Lost Tales then I'd have been disappointed. The second story though was much better and was a nice Sheridan vignette.
 
Well, well, well.
15 weeks later and I've finished. Just watched River of Souls and Sleeping in Light today.
Well actually, I'm not finished yet, still got A Call To Arms, Crusade, Legend of the Rangers and Lost Tales to watch yet

I tell you what though, one thing I've learnt is that some people do talk some shit. "Avoid Season 5 like the plague" "Thirdspace is terrible" etc
I don't get it. I didn't have any problem with "the elevator scene" in Thirdspace, I thought it was mildly amusing; good performance from Jeff Conaway.
I mentioned in a post the other day about minor Season 5 quibbles, but on the whole it was still very enjoyable. The last few with the Alliance/Centauri stuff were awesome. And Season 1 also certainly isn't as bad as some go on about.
A lot of people on this board seem to just love moaning. "oooh a thread about BSG/Joss Whedon, a chance to bash bash bash!!!"

River of Souls was… ok. I just found it amusing to see Lovejoy on the station :)
It also seemed odd to have Martin Sheen in it, no offence to B5, but was his career taking a nosedive at the time?

Sleeping in Light was a great ep, but it wasn't what I was expecting given the end of Objects At Rest. I just presumed it would follow up on Londo and the Keeper he left for Sheridan's son. I know SIL was filmed at the end of Season 4, bit it seemed very odd to feature that so prominent for the last real ep of Season 5 and then do nothing with it. Luckily I watched the future scenes from War Without End again before SIL, so that helped, and reading up on Wiki something in Deconstruction of Falling Stars has some throwaway line about David, and other info about what Vir did in the years between. Just seemed weird is all
 
Much of the Vir information and what happened with David and the keeper is covered in the Legions of Fire novel trilogy by Peter David.

Which happens to contain one of my favorite Garibaldi lines....
"What's up, Drahk?"
 
I mentioned in a post the other day about minor Season 5 quibbles, but on the whole it was still very enjoyable. The last few with the Alliance/Centauri stuff were awesome.

I'm glad you liked it. Season 5 is my favorite season of the show.

It also seemed odd to have Martin Sheen in it, no offence to B5, but was his career taking a nosedive at the time?

Apparently he really liked what the script said about the soul and it jibed with his beliefs so he wanted to do it.

I know SIL was filmed at the end of Season 4, bit it seemed very odd to feature that so prominent for the last real ep of Season 5 and then do nothing with it. Luckily I watched the future scenes from War Without End again before SIL, so that helped,

The build-up is there in Objects at Rest so that the thread isn't left behind and it gives you the needed connection to "War Without End". The Centauri Trilogy books expand on the details of the years between quite a bit, but all the needed information is on screen in the show this way. It also gives you the ominous sense that things aren't all going to be roses after 2262.
 
Wouldn't Sheen have filmed River of Souls just before West Wing started? Was he terribly big a name at that point?
 
It also seemed odd to have Martin Sheen in it, no offence to B5, but was his career taking a nosedive at the time?

Apparently he really liked what the script said about the soul and it jibed with his beliefs so he wanted to do it.

JoeD80 is correct. This is what JMS posted when asked how they got Sheen to do it:
We heard he was available, and was a nominal fan of SF, and sent him the
script. He enjoyed the script, particularly liking what it said about the soul
(he's a strong and vocal catholic), and I think he saw in it something he
wanted to be associated with.

We'd initially approached him about playing the scientist, but when he got the
script he much preferred the soul hunter material, and went for that, even
though it would mean considerable prosthetics work.

jms

Jan
 
Much as I've enjoyed most of sheen's work, I think he just kinda plodded thru RoS as if he was half asleep and reading from a teleprompter.
 
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