So plan and simple do you like the enterprise E or not

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Gabriel, Jan 12, 2019.

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Like it or not

Poll closed Jan 30, 2019.
  1. like

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  2. ehh

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  1. Yellow Flame Sushi

    Yellow Flame Sushi Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I never liked the E-D much either, but at the very least it could be seen as a legitimate evolutionary development in space vehicle design from the 23rd century Enterprises (and Excelsior). The E-E, however, is a corrupt mishmash of industrial design-free visual elements from both eras that was doodled by a singularly untalented illustrator.
     
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  2. Greg Cox

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    Honestly, I can't see the difference between the various Enterprises. Two nacelles and a saucer? It's the Enterprise to me.

    Then again, I couldn't tell the difference between a Ford or a Buick if my life depended on it. Not a hardware guy. :)
     
  3. Gabriel

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    Again there is no reason to be insulting. That is unless you have experience in design. But if you don’t you’re just coming off as just plain rude. And there is no place for rudeness in this form. But you know what go ahead hate it there plenty more people who like it. Also if you think you could design a better starship then posted it One day
     
  4. Yellow Flame Sushi

    Yellow Flame Sushi Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I'm not an illustrator and unlike John Eaves I never pretended to be. :)
     
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  5. Gabriel

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    Again there is no need for insults. Just say you don’t like. Everyone else has been respectful and I don’t want to get the mods involved. And I’m sure there are several illustrators who think the the ship is great and if you check the polls you are right now out numbered, but that’s alright I would never censor you for your opinions. But I ask cut the unnecessary insults.
     
  6. Lance

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    My feeling over the years has changed also. I think the E works fine as a part of First Contact -- its darker and angular aesthetic actually works as an artistic synonym with the Borg -- but divorced of that, the ship doesn't have enough of the friendly Federation vibe about it IMO. I could imagine enjoying being a crew member aboard the D, but the E overall feels more... hostile? No, maybe sterile is the word I'm looking for. I used to be all over the E as a cool movie spaceship, but as time wears on I just feel like it's far more generic, and far less iconic, than the ship it replaced. 1701-D was as big a part of that show as any of the human characters, and her absence is a major part of why the last three TNG films feel like they're missing something....
     
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  7. Gabriel

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    I thinks that’s because the sovereign class was only in the movie they should have it done some cameos in DS9. And I have said it once and I will say it again the enterprise d looks like a duck. I like the galaxy class, but it is not an A in the aesthetics department. To ME the sovereign gets an A+. And plus the enterprise E did a better job of fending of the borg
     
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  8. originalbob2

    originalbob2 Cadet Newbie

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    Never did like the Galaxy Class very much, I'm afraid.Now the Ent C- that's a starship...
     
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  9. Gabriel

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    Wait by galaxy class do you mean enterprise d because the enterprise e is sovereign class
     
  10. USS Firefly

    USS Firefly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I liked the E-E only the bridge was a little bit to dark.
    And I didn't like that they changed the ship every movie, like they did with the Kelvin Enterprise.
    I would have preferred that they kept the D and make her saucer more oval
     
  11. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    You're not a Moderator and you can't dictate that.
     
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  12. Smellmet

    Smellmet Commodore Commodore

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    I really like the E. I like the elements of the original refit there is in the design, i think it especially looks good from above. There's some parts that are a little over styled and I dislike the interior but overall I think it's a great design, and I prefer it to the D (though I much prefer the D's interior)

    The 1979 design is my absolute favourite though especially in that movie too with the pearlescent hull. I think the E bags the silver medal.
     
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  13. plentode

    plentode Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I drooled over the design in First Contact. Insurrection made me wary of it, but that may just be my dislike of the film talking... While Nemesis reinvigorated the Enterprise E for me. However, all these years later, she doesn't top my list of favorites. I certainly don't hate the E, but she's not as aesthetically pleasing to my eyes as the Enterprise D and the refit Enterprise. I do wish we had gotten to see more of the E though. It'd be interesting to see if there's more to her than her weapons systems...
     
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  14. Gabriel

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    Fine but still rudeness is not necessary. I m sorry but that person was just being rude while everyone else was being respectful. But next time I will make sure not to break any rules or over step my boundaries.
     
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  15. Gabriel

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    Yeah i always wonder what was with all that leather
     
  16. Cutie McWhiskers

    Cutie McWhiskers Commodore Commodore

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    The look is absolutely gorgeous, a phenomenal merging of TMP and 1701-D, and it's the top of my list (TMP is a very close runner-up). The shape looks like it's moving forward when looking at it - optical illusion based on angle and direction the eye looks at it. Bold yet graceful, it also looks more militaristic than the "D" as well. But you know me, I have to find and egregiously whine about just a few, minor caveats:
    1. Deflector dish was a bizarre shade of yellow and not blue?
    2. Not sure why the far aft section has a slide-open door (for shuttles?) when the main shuttle bay is closer. Maybe when transporting cargo specific to Engineering section or something...
    3. In 1701's history, nacelles kept getting smaller. Now they got a blue pill and are much longer. Art deco or not, it's an incongruity, unless some engineer discovered the more compact nacelles led to more stress on the fabric of space and rayon so they lengthened them back out as a stopgap measure, why not?
    4. The ship could be more metallic gray than matte near-white with matte dark onyx gray trim, it's not a racing car or Planet Express ship with flame decals on it...
    5. Needed to be in more sound, robust movie scripts than those first drafts that got filmed. At least "Generations" was legitimately a rush job

    To answer others' points above:

    The 1701-D looked like somebody stepped on it, hence the oblong shapes instead of cylinders. Still looks great from several angles, but from some others... not as much. For sych an idiosyncratic shape to look good from every angle - that's a near-impossibility. Even TMP and TOS 1701 ships have a couple angles that, no, please don't look up that angle...

    And now that I looked up the image of the 1701-E, I will never get the toilet lid allegory out of my Vulcan mind.
     
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  17. Gabriel

    Gabriel Captain Captain

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    On the shuttle bays it’s probably more for shuttles or just In case one gets damage
    On the nacelles it has not always been each new enterprise nacelle is smaller going constitution to excelsior the nacelle got bigger
    On the dish it should have been blue
     
  18. Lance

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    The TV shows were forbidden from using the Sovereign as it was thought better to keep the wow factor for the big screen only. I too feel like it was a mistake, but I understand their thinking.

    John Eaves himself, designer of the 1701-E, said it looks like a chicken in a pan. Whether that's better or worse than a duck is I guess up to personal preference ;) :lol:
     
  19. Gabriel

    Gabriel Captain Captain

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    Yeah I know that it was forbidden. I don’t frankly I really don’t care about the wow factor. To me I would just love to see the ship more. To me she’s beautiful and also she did kick Borg ass. She’s more maneuverable and better armed. Although glad a sovereign wasn’t at Second battle of c where the defiant got destroyed because would hate to see one destroy just because of some stupid Breen weapon disabled power. Because I doubt the Federation will be able to build another sovereign class for years after the war. Most resources will probably be going to rebuilding federation worlds.
     
  20. Lance

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    She "kicked Borg ass" only because her Captain knew the coordinates to hit a Borg cube where it hurts, which wasn't something intrinsically inherent to the Sovereign class and could've been done by a Galaxy or any other type of class. Indeed, as depicted in the movie, it's the combined firing of the fleet in Picard's nominated 'sweet spot' that destroys the cube, again not specifically something the Sovereign herself did. I don't, therefore, see that as evidence of the 1701-E doing anything that 1701-D couldn't have. ;) In fact, despite looking different, there is no evidence in any of the three movies of exactly how she's supposedly superior to the Galaxy class. One or two references to Quantum Torpedoes, that's about it, and we know the Sovereign wasn't the only ship loaded with those. Indeed, she even proves to be just as vulnerable as her predecessor in Insurrection and Nemesis...
     
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