So is Capt Shaw the new, reigning biggest a##hole in Trek?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Photon, Feb 21, 2023.

  1. Danja

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    Kirk did not have eighteen years of military experience behind him.

    She was named XO for a reason.
     
  2. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Military experience doesn't equal command experience.
     
  3. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    "Seven of Nine" is clearly the name she identifies as. "Annika Hansen" might be her birthname, but it's a name she hasn't willingly used since she was a child. To refer to her by the birthname she has since dropped is the literal definition of deadnaming.
     
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  4. Danja

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    And Cadet Kirk had it? :confused:
     
  5. Tuskin38

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    Why do you keep bringing up Kirk? He has nothing to do with this, that was a dumb action movie, people disliked him going from cadet to captain.

    We shouldn't treat the TV shows the same as the Kelvin movies. Keeping Seven as XO will allow her to gain command experience under an experienced captain. She can get promoted during the hypothetical TV series.

    It's more realistic this way.
     
  6. The Wormhole

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    Of course not, but just because Trek XI engaged in a questionable and stupid decision does not mean the rest of the franchise should treat it as precedent.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    No, and that was a mistake. Pretty self evident in the films.
     
  8. Danja

    Danja Commodore Commodore

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    Because like it or not, it's canon.


    A "experienced Captain" who's terrified of exploration, who's afraid to step beyond Federation space.

    If one's "reality" includes replicators, transporters, and warp drives. :shifty:


    Nothing ever fully prepares you for the moment.
     
  9. Tuskin38

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    Only because it wasn't his mission at the time. The ship wasn't stocked for it.

    If he was terrified of exploration he wouldn't be commanding an exploration ship.

    And? That doesn't make it good story telling.

    That isn't a counter my point in anyway.
     
  10. Danja

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    What ship in Starfleet is ready to take on a ship armed with a portal weapon?
    Was Voyager ready to spend seven years in the Delta Quadrant?

    You can do everything by the book -- and space will throw you for a loop (Voyager and Enterprise can testify to that).
     
  11. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No, and it comes up in many episodes. I don't see your point, Janeway was forced into that situation, Shaw had a choice.
     
  12. Paul755

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    yeah, she’s got two really powerful friends inside Starfleet.
     
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  13. Danja

    Danja Commodore Commodore

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    Resources have never been a problem for Starfleet.

    The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it any less canon.

    Picard got his command after his commanding officer was killed. If he can handle being thrown into the deep end of the pool, so can Seven.

    It would be terribly disappointing for Seven to end Picard's final season back where she started.
     
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  14. Tuskin38

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    It really wouldn't be. Why are you so against her being an XO?
     
  15. Danja

    Danja Commodore Commodore

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    He sure as hell doesn't ACT like someone who isn't afraid of exploration.
     
  16. The Wormhole

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    We really have no canonical context regarding the circumstances of how Picard got command of the Stargazer, besides taking command after the captain was killed. Presumably Picard was already the ship's XO at the time. In the aftermath, Starfleet likely felt he'd spent enough time in grade as XO and had learned enough about command, combined with the presumably satisfactory way he resolved whatever situation the Stargazer was in when the captain was killed that they believed he was ready to take permanent command of the ship and thus promoted him.

    Seven meanwhile might have all the necessary skills and qualifications to be a command officer, as reflected by the fact she's currently a ship's XO, but she still needs to "earn her spurs" before Starfleet gives her a command of her own.
     
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  17. Tuskin38

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    Because that wasn't the ships current mission profile.
     
  18. Danja

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    Which brings me back to cadet Kirk.

    It was good enough for two more movies.
     
  19. Tuskin38

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    Which is still irrelevant to this conversation.

    Yes, but this show isn't a dumb action movie.
     
  20. The Wormhole

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    And I'll repeat myself that that was a moment of pure stupidity that should not be repeated.