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So how important is canon, then?

Then you run up against people who don’t do subtlety, or subtext, or innuendo, or are utterly oblivious to the concept that characters either lie, or tell what they believe to be the truth at the time they said it, or they speak strictly for themselves, or the speaker falls back on cultural social conventions i.e. standard replies to standard questions.

I think it just comes down to how each individual is wired. There isn't a right or wrong, just how we each process information.
 
then why would your conclusion be any less erroneous or incomplete? what is so strange about it when they literally said that? or do y'all deny they said it? her or stonn's pon farr was coming up within the next few years, when spock would be away, as she mentioned at the end.
should vulcan statements be understood as generally untruthful, deceiving, misleading? they are very literal and if they say that their blood is green, their blood is very likely green. so we're fighting "blood is green cause that's said and shown" versus "green blood is fanon, it's actually blue". XD
Strict literalism without considering context, authorial intent and actor's understanding will lead to false conclusions. Ultimately, yes I could be wrong and most fan theories will also be so. That's why authors and writers insights are so important to shed more light on context.

As for blood color, yes an argument could be made for the blue coloring due to what we understand about a copper based oxygen carrier.
 
Yesterday’s Son is the only one I remember reading.
Excellent novel and one of the few Trek novels I just flat out bought because I borrowed it from the library so many times. Crispin definitely had a good descriptive prose style that I appreciated, and Zar one of the more interesting characters in the Trek litverse. I never did read the follow up novel but I might now. Been enjoying more Trek novels, and less concerned with canon status.
 
So then, has the compelling mystery of Vulcan sex been finally resolved?

:shrug:

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Excellent novel and one of the few Trek novels I just flat out bought because I borrowed it from the library so many times. Crispin definitely had a good descriptive prose style that I appreciated, and Zar one of the more interesting characters in the Trek litverse. I never did read the follow up novel but I might now. Been enjoying more Trek novels, and less concerned with canon status.

Haven’t read the follow up either. I think it’s one of those nostalgia Trek novels I’m saving against a drought, lol.

Sad, Zarabeth didn’t make an appearance but Ms. Crispin couldn’t
allow that for reasons.
 
I’m thinking autism tbf.

I don't think it is autism, just different interpretations.

I think to "Balance of Terror", Discovery and cloaking devices. I'm a fairly hardcore TOS guy, been watching since 1975 when I could barely climb on the couch. Watching it recently, after giving Hell about Discovery having cloaking devices, I realize it may not be as big of a hole as I had previously thought. What it came down to? A mention of motion sensors. If no one's encountered cloaking devices, what purpose would motion sensors really serve? Spock not knowing there were practical applications is still a catch, considering at worst he would've been on the periphery of the Federation-Klingon war ten years earlier where they were widely used. But motion sensors being equipped on the Enterprise points to the idea someone, somewhere may have know about cloaking devices.
 
I don't think it is autism, just different interpretations.

I think to "Balance of Terror", Discovery and cloaking devices. I'm a fairly hardcore TOS guy, been watching since 1975 when I could barely climb on the couch. Watching it recently, after giving Hell about Discovery having cloaking devices, I realize it may not be as big of a hole as I had previously thought. What it came down to? A mention of motion sensors? If no one's encountered cloaking devices, what purpose would motion sensors really serve? Spock not knowing there were practical applications is still a catch, considering at worst he would've been on the periphery of the Federation-Klingon war ten years earlier where they were widely used. But motion sensors being equipped on the Enterprise points to the idea someone, somewhere may have know about cloaking devices.

I replied to your comment with another conversation in mind, I think.
I have trouble keeping track of the flow here.
 
I’ll take a bottomless discussion on Vulcan sexuality over a dead thread any time.

Well, sure. You've been here all of what, 5 minutes?

Talk to me when you've been here 18 years.

The whole canon thing has been done to death more times than I can count. It just won't die. Like a homunculus.

And of course since there's no solution (because it's make-believe), it just keeps going in never-ending circles.

But yeah, it's really great....:ouch:

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Excellent novel and one of the few Trek novels I just flat out bought because I borrowed it from the library so many times. Crispin definitely had a good descriptive prose style that I appreciated,

I had a completely opposite response. I thought her writing was very melodramatic, betraying it's fanfic background.

Sadly, though, I have to admit to regretting having insulted her once. I was at the Intentional Conference on the Fantastic in the Arts, along with a colleague. We were in a buffet line, talking about the guests who were there; he was relatively new to sf. He asked me who Ann Crispin was, and I said "A really bad Trek novel writer." A few moments later I turned to look at the line behind us, and she was about two or three people back. I stand by my opinion, but that was no reason to hurt her feelings. And, truth be told she wrote what Trek fans wanted to read, so I can't blame her for that.
 
Well, sure. You've been here all of what, 5 minutes?

Talk to me when you've been here 18 years.

The whole canon thing has been done to death more times than I can count. It just won't die. Like a homunculus.

And of course since there's no solution (because it's make-believe), it just keeps going in never-ending circles.

But yeah, it's really great....:ouch:

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This has all been a cake-walk so far. I don't even notice it. But wait until Strange New Worlds.

Because of when it takes place, where it takes place, and who the main characters are: We'll have the worst Canon Debates this board has seen in 15 years.
 
Well, sure. You've been here all of what, 5 minutes?

Talk to me when you've been here 18 years.

The whole canon thing has been done to death more times than I can count. It just won't die. Like a homunculus.

And of course since there's no solution (because it's make-believe), it just keeps going in never-ending circles.

But yeah, it's really great....:ouch:

I’ve been here in the matrix five minutes, but I’ve been here all along in spirit. Because there is no here here.

Never saw more heat ever than watching a grenade fall between a gaggle of spirk shippers on one side of a fanfic site, and a herd of het shippers on the other.
 
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