So how important is canon, then?

[BillJ]

they're only horny during plak-tow

Then what was Spock’s relationship with Leila Kalomi prior to “This Side of Paradise“? Or Zarabeth during “All Our Yesterdays”?

 

[NCC-73515]

Then what was Spock’s relationship with Leila Kalomi prior to “This Side of Paradise“? Or Zarabeth during “All Our Yesterdays”?

how could you miss that leila's love was one-sided back then?
how could you miss that AOY is set in the distant past where spock reverts to primitive emotions, the very point of this subplot?

 

[Nerys Myk]

why would the quotes I posted be lies? nothing supports that.

so they didn't, but you said they did. stonn and t'pring did not have the plak-tow.

does the salmon mate outside of its mating phase?

I'm lost, what quotes? I was responding to the notion Vulcans don't lie.

Are you asking if T'Pring and Stonn had recreational sex or reproductive sex?

The subject at hand to a biological drive to have reproductive sex. I'm not sure salmon do anything for recreation, including sex.

 

[BillJ]

Spock is macking pretty hard on Droxine in “The Cloud Minders”.

how could you miss that AOY is set in the distant past where spock reverts to primitive emotions, the very point of this subplot?

But Pon Farr and Plak Tow aren’t emotional states, they are biological.

 

[BillJ]

The person who probably knew Spock and Vulcans better than anyone except Leonard Nimoy, DC Fontana, wrote a novel (Vulcan’s Glory) where he had a relationship with a fellow Vulcan early in his Enterprise tenure.

• D.C. Fontana wrote sex scenes including a Vulcan into this novel, apparently in order to answer a long held question about Vulcan sexual ability; the pon farr is merely a fertility cycle, while Vulcans are capable of having sexual relations at any time outside of the mating urge, albeit without a successful conception.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vulcan's_Glory

 

[Hofner]

I guess my memory may be wrong but in "The Cloud Minders" didn't Spock imply to Droxine that he's not necessarily confined to the seven year cycle?

Robert

 

[The Wormhole]

Vulcans can have sex at any point they want. Ponn farr just means that every seven years, there's a point in which they absolutely have to have sex right this very instant, or die. Granted, there probably are Vulcans who are otherwise celibate throughout their lives aside from when the seven year itch strikes, but they could well be a minority.

 

[NCC-73515]

I'm lost, what quotes? I was responding to the notion Vulcans don't lie.

Are you asking if T'Pring and Stonn had recreational sex or reproductive sex?

The subject at hand to a biological drive to have reproductive sex. I'm not sure salmon do anything for recreation, including sex.

These quotes:

EMH: Tuvok, I understand. You are a Vulcan man. You have just gone without for seven years about.
KOV: Vulcan males are driven to mate once every seven years.
T'POL: On Vulcan, we mate only once every seven years.
PARIS: Ah. This wouldn't be the kind of imbalance that comes around once every seven years?

Which were in response to:

More fanon

And were then challenged by:

Seven year Vulcans are like religious humans, they say one thing but do another

Where's the evidence that unemotional, logical Vulcans have recreational sex outside of their mating cycle? Everything on screen suggests they're extremely distant, don't cuddle, don't kiss, don't make compliments, so why would they have sex for fun? Again, only Spock was in the plak-tow, not the other two.

The vast majority of salmon mate only once, during their mating season. You brought up the salmon comparison

The person who probably knew Spock and Vulcans better than anyone except Leonard Nimoy, DC Fontana, wrote a novel (Vulcan’s Glory) where he had a relationship with a fellow Vulcan early in his Enterprise tenure.

and I guess novels are more canon than actual statements from the live action shows, which certain people here say are fanon. novels override on-screen canon, which is actually fanon. alright. I guess it's logical to you. XD

But Pon Farr and Plak Tow aren’t emotional states, they are biological.

was spock in his pon farr / plak tow in that episode?

I guess my memory may be wrong but in "The Cloud Minders" didn't Spock imply to Droxine that he's not necessarily confined to the seven year cycle?
Robert

we know the cycle can be disturbed and that pon farr can be triggered by disease and transferred to others.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'll accept Tuvok actually did go seven years without sex, on account of being stranded away from his wife for seven years.

 

[BillJ]

and I guess novels are more canon than actual statements from the live action shows, which certain people here say are fanon. novels override on-screen canon, which is actually fanon. alright. I guess it's logical to you.

Obviously, not everyone agrees about what the onscreen dialogue means, or else we wouldn’t be having this discussion to begin with. As far as I know, there is no onscreen dialogue that precludes Vulcans having recreational sex outside of Ponn Farr.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The vast majority of salmon mate only once, during their mating season. You brought up the salmon comparison

No, Spock did.

 

[BillJ]

Can anyone point to any dialogue that says Vulcans don’t have sex outside the seven year mating drive?

 

[BillJ]

"Vulcans mate normally any time they want to. However, every seven years you do the ritual, the ceremony, the whole thing. The biological urge. You must, but any other time is any other emotion – humanoid emotion – when you're in love. When you want to, you know when the urge is there, you do it. This every-seven-years business was taken too literally by too many people who don't stop and understand. We didn't mean it only every seven years. I mean, every seven years would be a little bad, and it would not explain the Vulcans of many different ages which are not seven years apart." – D.C. Fontana (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Pon_farr

 

[Morgan Primus]

There’s no evidence that Vulcans don’t mate outside the seven year cycle, nor is there any evidence that they do.

They’re very private about their intimate personal relationships.

 

[BillJ]

Take it for what one will...

“You only take a mate once every seven years?"
"The seven-year cycle is biologically inherent in all Vulcans. At that time, the mating drive outweighs all other motivations."
"And is there nothing that can disturb that cycle, Mister Spock?"
"Extreme feminine beauty is always disturbing, madam."
– Droxine and Spock, 2268 ("The Cloud Minders")

I have a tough time believing Sarek and Amanda only tried once every seven years to conceive a child. And going once every seven years should give them up to five kids. At 102 years old in “Journey to Babel”, going into puberty at 15, Sarek should have about a dozen kids.

 

[The Wormhole]

Take it for what one will...



I have a tough time believing Sarek and Amanda only tried once every seven years to conceive a child. And going once every seven years should give them up to five kids. At 102 years old in “Journey to Babel”, going into puberty at 15, Sarek should have about a dozen kids.

By that logic, no one has any right complaining any time a previously unmentioned sibling of Spock's gets introduced.

 

[BillJ]

By that logic, no one has any right complaining any time a previously unmentioned sibling of Spock's gets introduced.

 

[Morgan Primus]

By that logic, no one has any right complaining any time a previously unmentioned sibling of Spock's gets introduced.

I still will

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is Sybok seven or perhaps a multiple of seven years older than Spock?

 

[NCC-73515]

No, Spock did.

you should really look at your own post again:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/so-how-important-is-canon-then.305324/page-13#post-13501735
I'll highlight your own words if that helps:

Look at the comparisons being made

Reproduction.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Pon_farr

this would actually be fanon, to use the word brought up here, not canon (unlike my actual quotes from the actual shows). prove me wrong.