So, anyone here ready to declare this the best Star Trek film yet?
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Declare it the best? No way. It was a good action film, I guess, but it was largely campy and super-rushed. Did any conversation last more than twenty seconds?
Negatives:
The further sequels have potential but all the timeline/Nimoy stuff bogged this one down. It was a distraction and poorly done. They should have just rebooted it. 30-second commercials have more character development. Too many quotes from the other films. "Puffy hands" trumps "Scotty bumping his head" as stupid. Quinto was okay but - as with Sylar - he always has a freakin' smirk even when he's serious. And the 20th century field of steam pipes and metal grating they call engineering was appalling, especially after seeing the rest of the tricked-out ship.
Positives:
Bones and Karl Urban. Pike and Bruce Greenwood. Pine actually did well.
I want to see it again wihout all the expectation but as of now, two hours out, I'd rank this behind II, FC, VI, IV, III, and possibly even TMP.
Negatives:
The further sequels have potential but all the timeline/Nimoy stuff bogged this one down. It was a distraction and poorly done. They should have just rebooted it. 30-second commercials have more character development. Too many quotes from the other films. "Puffy hands" trumps "Scotty bumping his head" as stupid. Quinto was okay but - as with Sylar - he always has a freakin' smirk even when he's serious. And the 20th century field of steam pipes and metal grating they call engineering was appalling, especially after seeing the rest of the tricked-out ship.
Positives:
Bones and Karl Urban. Pike and Bruce Greenwood. Pine actually did well.
I want to see it again wihout all the expectation but as of now, two hours out, I'd rank this behind II, FC, VI, IV, III, and possibly even TMP.
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TMP has an utterly different sensibility from any of the other films. That's why I'm reluctant to compare it to TWOK-NEM. ST (2009) and TWOK also seem totally dissimilar to me, even if the new movie has the Kobayashi Maru.
I like TMP and TWOK for completely different reasons. The same as I suspect will be the case with ST XI tomorrow.
I was born in August 1979, not quite born in the '80s but close enough. Age aside, I think you're selling modern movies short. There are plenty of movies, including the 2000s, that have strong stories. Depends on where you're looking.
Yup, yup. I actually like Insurrection quite a bit. Sure it didn't have a lot of action and could have been done easily on an episode of TNG, but I liked the story a lot and really appreciated the characters being a bit more relaxed here. It's also the most Roddenberry of all the films in the post-Roddenberry era of Trek.
Search for Spock is good too, but to me, it's such a downer. Whenever I watch this movie, I really feel the need to watch The Voyage Home right after. Not because I want to see the story continue, but I want to cheered up by the sheer fun and lightheartedness of it.
Not the best for me. It was still a great movie and a great reboot though and I look forward to more.
My favorites are First Contact and The Undiscovered Country, maybe because they're fresher in my mind than The Wrath of Khan. Plus First Contact is one of only a handful of movies I've seen three times at the theater.
Of course I haven't seen the new movie yet so maybe I shouldn't even be posting here.
Of course I haven't seen the new movie yet so maybe I shouldn't even be posting here.
Ultimately, I think I will. For many of us, it's going to be awfully hard to let go of those other movies and all those things we love about them, but at the end of the day, I think this will probably emerge as the best Star Trek film.
I mean, it fired on all cylinders. I didn't know what that meant before. I thought it was just some stupid movie review cliche. But now I know what that means. In my opinion at least, this movie fired on all cylinders. There's just no other way to describe it.
I mean, it fired on all cylinders. I didn't know what that meant before. I thought it was just some stupid movie review cliche. But now I know what that means. In my opinion at least, this movie fired on all cylinders. There's just no other way to describe it.
Yeah, good one. I couldn't see where he would have fit in. It would have been a really short cameo though. If you turned to talk to someone you would have missed him.
If I have to rank this one among the others (TOS only):
1.TMP
2. TWOK
3. Eponymous
4. TUC
5. TSFS
6. TVH
7. TFF
Among them all:
1.TMP
2. TWOK
3. FC
4. Eponymous
5. TUC
6. TSFS
7. NEM
8. TVH
9. GEN
10. INS
11. TFF
TMP and TWOK remain the only two I really like.
1.TMP
2. TWOK
3. Eponymous
4. TUC
5. TSFS
6. TVH
7. TFF
Among them all:
1.TMP
2. TWOK
3. FC
4. Eponymous
5. TUC
6. TSFS
7. NEM
8. TVH
9. GEN
10. INS
11. TFF
TMP and TWOK remain the only two I really like.
Best Trek yet!
1. Visually, hands down no other Trek movie comes close. The Enterprise looks her best in this film, and I say this as a rabbid refit guy. She is majestic, graceful, full of detail, and really comes alive.
2. Story, I suppose the argument could be made that TWOK was tighter... but so what? Just because a story is tight, doesn't make it better. Seeing these Characters come together for the first time as a team, made for a better story than the gang out for a trip around the block with a few students...
3. It stuck true where it absolutely needed to stick true...Although we meet Kirk, and he hasn't become the hero we remember, he deep down was still the same Jim Kirk. I loved it when he was provoking Spock. How many times was Jim Kirk forced to try to evoke something from his adversary. All of the Characters were familar, yet it was great getting to know them again for the first time.
4. Bones... Damnit Jim must I say more?
1. Visually, hands down no other Trek movie comes close. The Enterprise looks her best in this film, and I say this as a rabbid refit guy. She is majestic, graceful, full of detail, and really comes alive.
2. Story, I suppose the argument could be made that TWOK was tighter... but so what? Just because a story is tight, doesn't make it better. Seeing these Characters come together for the first time as a team, made for a better story than the gang out for a trip around the block with a few students...
3. It stuck true where it absolutely needed to stick true...Although we meet Kirk, and he hasn't become the hero we remember, he deep down was still the same Jim Kirk. I loved it when he was provoking Spock. How many times was Jim Kirk forced to try to evoke something from his adversary. All of the Characters were familar, yet it was great getting to know them again for the first time.
4. Bones... Damnit Jim must I say more?
Ah, fair enough.
The more I think about TMP the more I dislike it. Maybe it is below TFF for me.
I think if one goes into this movie with the foresight that it's Star Trek with a Star Wars sensibility, it makes it infinitely more palatable. It's easy to be taken aback by the filmmaking, just because it's so different from anything else we've ever seen before in a Star Trek movie. But one shouldn't let the filmmaking detract from their enjoyment of the film. I think that's going to be the most important thing for us, Star Trek fans, to keep in mind upon our first viewings. It's still the same beast. It's still Star Trek. And that's what matters.
This is what I wanted back in '79--a film version of the tv show. The ages of the actors back then precluded that, and while I love TWOK and TUC, this is the first movie to actually evoke the tv show that started it all.
Is it the best? Probably. This movie had a scope that has never been attempted before, and succeeded admirably. I saw Kirk, Spock, etc. and recognized them as the same characters I loved from TOS with a bit of a new polish. Frankly I was surprised (and thrilled) with how much of TOS they kept--I'm not talking about 'canon' but about the heart of the show, which they got right.
Is it the best? Probably. This movie had a scope that has never been attempted before, and succeeded admirably. I saw Kirk, Spock, etc. and recognized them as the same characters I loved from TOS with a bit of a new polish. Frankly I was surprised (and thrilled) with how much of TOS they kept--I'm not talking about 'canon' but about the heart of the show, which they got right.
Absolutely. Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman et al captured the beating heart of Star Trek; it is this movie.
I can't believe how right they got it!
I feel wonderful right now. Pure ecstasy. Those are tears of joy coming from that emoticon.
I'm hearing you steveman...the floodgates of joy have burst wide open!!!
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