So... about that black hole right next to Earth...

[WarpFactorZ]

Black Holes need matter to consume in order to "survive". Once there is no matter falling into the singularity, the black hole "evaporates". Scientists at CERN have actually created momentary artificial singularities, if I'm not mistaken. They are extremely small and only last a split second.

No black holes have been created at CERN. Theory says they could be created if certain conditions hold (like the universe has extra dimensions of space). But nothing like this has been confirmed.

Also, black hole evaporation is still only a theory. No proof yet.

 

[Set Harth]

It's pretty clear in the film that the "lightning storm" that Spock came out of was not in the same place as the one that Nero came out of.

Though I agree, you'll find that some people insist they were in the same place, in defiance of all the evidence we have to the contrary.

 

[Amaris]

The black hole created by red matter that destroyed Vulcan evaporated.

I wondered about that. It seems red matter black holes don't behave like naturally occurring ones. In fact they don't seem to be anything more than very local destroyers instead of the galactic neighbourhood annihilators you would imagine them to be. Earth was never in danger provided the bomb wasn't planted in its core.

Yep. To me, the whole thing was explained rather neatly.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I'm not sure how massive this black hole was, or where exactly it was, but here is food for thought...

If the Sun suddenly turned into a black hole -- one with the same mass as the Sun has now -- the earth and other planets (even Mercury) would continue merrily in their orbits as if the Sun was still there.

The gravitational pull exerted by the sun-mass black hole would be the same as the gravitational pull exerted by the Sun. The difference would be that once matter got past this black hole's event horizon (which would be less than 10 miles in diameter), that matter would never escape.

Of course, this sun-black hole would continue to grow more massive, but it would take hundreds of millions of years before it would threaten Earth.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Of course, this sun-black hole would continue to grow more massive, but it would take hundreds of millions of years before it would threaten Earth.

Yes, but the big problem then would be that Earth (and everyone on it) would freeze due to lack of sunshine. Also, those who managed to survive would probably be killed by the intense gamma radiation from matter in the accretion disk falling into the black hole.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

The black hole created by red matter that destroyed Vulcan evaporated.

I wondered about that. It seems red matter black holes don't behave like naturally occurring ones. In fact they don't seem to be anything more than very local destroyers instead of the galactic neighbourhood annihilators you would imagine them to be. Earth was never in danger provided the bomb wasn't planted in its core.

Yep. To me, the whole thing was explained rather neatly.

But, we have onscreen evidence that they don't simply evaporate. After Spock detonates the red matter that takes care of the supernova, Nero arrives. Unless the black hole is still sucking in the supernova offscreen, it's still there. If it weren't, it wouldn't have pulled in both the Narada and the Jellyfish. Spock's a smart guy. He doesn't seem like the type to just set a course into a black hole willingly.

 

[Pavonis]

The red matter singularity doesn't dissipate immediately, and neither is it permanent. It lasted long enough for both Nero and Spock to fall through it, that's all.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Of course, this sun-black hole would continue to grow more massive, but it would take hundreds of millions of years before it would threaten Earth.

Yes, but the big problem then would be that Earth (and everyone on it) would freeze due to lack of sunshine. Also, those who managed to survive would probably be killed by the intense gamma radiation from matter in the accretion disk falling into the black hole.

Well of course -- but the black hole wouldn't suck the earth in.

 

[IndyJones]

It's pretty clear in the film that the "lightning storm" that Spock came out of was not in the same place as the one that Nero came out of.

Though I agree, you'll find that some people insist they were in the same place, in defiance of all the evidence we have to the contrary.

Obviously the two ships arrived decades apart, but what was in in the movie that constitutes "all the evidence" that they were different locations?

 

[F. King Daniel]

According to dialogue when the Kelvin approaches the first lightning storm, they were virtually in Klingon space. Later during the mission broadcast, Chekov says the second lightning storm is in the Romulan neutral zone.

Plus, Ayel's "we've arrived at the co-ordinates you calculated" would make no sense if it were a simple return to the same location they arrived at.