SNW truly respects TOS continuity!

[DaveyNY]

You are wrong.

These are the official numbers from Numeris, the Canadian equivalent of Nielsen, for broadcast TV, including CTV Sci-Fi.

Examples:

PIC S01E01:

DIS S03E01:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFlAPjSXwAY9-KX?format=jpg&name=orig


These are not the numbers for Crave.

But don't worry, I'm keeping an eye on Crave as well.

Currently, SNW is ranked 15 in "TV Shows Trending Now".

On the day of the release of a new episode SNW usually reaches the Top 5 but drops down very quickly.


I find it ironic that you accuse me of using data from Crave.
When I post these numbers, usually it's the other way around, people accuse me that I don't use/include the viewership numbers from Crave.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/season-one-vibes.310942/page-3#post-14129332
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/discovery-renewed-for-season-5.310296/page-15#post-14048466

A) Viewership numbers from Crave are not freely available. The only information that is publicly available from Crave is "Trending Now" date.
B) Crave only has a 16% market share.

Anybody else notice that his numbers are from about 6 months ago?

 

[fireproof78]

Anybody else notice that his numbers are from about 6 months ago?

I'm still trying to figure out why people should care about these numbers? Did your enjoyment of SNW go down when it fell out of the Top 5? I know mine did!

 

[cooleddie74]

TOS never ranked higher than 52nd in the year-end Nielsens during its original run. Does that mean we shouldn't like it, neither?

And that actually happened and affected that show's existence. Unlike this tripe.

 

[fireproof78]

TOS never ranked higher than 52nd in the year-end Nielsens during its original run. Does that mean we shouldn't like it, neither?

And that actually happened and affected that show's existence. Unlike this tripe.

I haven't watch TOS since...

...

 

[Tuskin38]

Anybody else notice that his numbers are from about 6 months ago?

Even longer, they're from 2020. He's talking about Picard Season 1 and Discovery Season 3.

 

[The Habs Fan]

Anybody else notice that his numbers are from about 6 months ago?

also, he has an official looking list of all of the Canadian Numeris ratings for only Star Trek episodes. I’m pretty sure Numeris doesn’t issue list of ratings by franchise. If I’m wrong Charts, please post a source for your info. Because screenshots mean nothing and can be easily fabricated.

 

[gvn2fly]

TOS never ranked higher than 52nd in the year-end Nielsens during its original run. Does that mean we shouldn't like it, neither?

And that actually happened and affected that show's existence. Unlike this tripe.

DS9 Voyager and ENT also had absolutely huge drops in their ratings and low ratings. I guess we shouldn't like them either. Does Char Kais even like Star Trek? Why are low ratings for shows he likes irrelevant but unknown ratings (other than being among the most viewed on their service) for shows he doesn't like "proof" that the shows are failures? Can someone tell me why he's obsessed with shows he doesn't like (he's never been able to answer)

 

[Phily B]

DS9 Voyager and ENT also had absolutely huge drops in their ratings and low ratings. I guess we shouldn't like them either. Does Char Kais even like Star Trek? Why are low ratings for shows he likes irrelevant but unknown ratings (other than being among the most viewed on their service) for shows he doesn't like "proof" that the shows are failures? Can someone tell me why he's obsessed with shows he doesn't like (he's never been able to answer)

People think that new stuff invalidates their old stuff. It happens every everything. TOS fans and TNG. TNG fans and DS9/VOY.

In a couple of years RDM BSG Fans will be acting like OG BSG fans when the BSG reboot comes out.

 

[Noname Given]

Here's the only way we can really tell whether a show is successful or not - is Paramount+ renewing it for another season? They've done it with all the current Trek shows thus far.

They had enough faith in SNW to renew it for a second season before this one even aired. We won't know how well or not well it's doing for them until it comes time to renew it for a third season. Disco S5 was the latest renewal any of the current Trek series has gotten a renewal, well into S4's airing, so it's clearly not always going to be automatic.

To be fair, Paramount+ renewed all their Star Trek series very quickly probably because they wanted to try and catch up production-wise to make up for all the production time they lost during the initial start of the COVIS-19 pandemic..

They did the same with the HALO Series before the first episode even aired.

Now in stating the above I'm not agreeing that the new Star Trek is a failure; because overall, I like it alot. But once they get back to and are able to maintain a more consistent production pipeline; we'll probably go back to seeing renewal decisions based on how the current season of a given show is doing with respect to streaming in Paramount eyes.

 

[Char Kais]

I'm still trying to figure out why people should care about these numbers? Did your enjoyment of SNW go down when it fell out of the Top 5? I know mine did!

They show a decline in viewership of NuTrek shows, countering the narrative that these are popular shows, which is an argument used to counter criticisms of narrative issues, plot holes, canon violations, inconsistencies, ETC. (Which is the root of discussion: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/snw-truly-respects-tos-continuity.311582/page-2#post-14177062)

Anybody else notice that his numbers are from about 6 months ago?

What are you talking about?

Even longer, they're from 2020. He's talking about Picard Season 1 and Discovery Season 3.

These are two examples of my original data source (Numeris) that I use to compile this overview:

I chose these two examples to show that these are broadcast viewership numbers, that include CTV Sci-Fi, and not the "Crave" numbers. What is so hard to understand about that? Read the thread, not just one post.

also, he has an official looking list of all of the Canadian Numeris ratings for only Star Trek episodes.

Yes, I do have a list, because I compiled that list from Numeris data.

I’m pretty sure Numeris doesn’t issue list of ratings by franchise.

No, they don't. I did that. I compiled that list from Numeris data.

And no, it's not a lot of work.
People here seem to have an obscure notion that is a hugely time-consuming task. It's not.
It's not hard to go to a website, download a PDF and write down a number in a text file.

If I’m wrong Charts, please post a source for your info. Because screenshots mean nothing and can be easily fabricated.

Ok, so now I'm also accused of fabricating data. LOL!

It's the wrong data!
It's incomplete data!
It's irrelevant data!
It's fabricated data!

LOL!

Any more accusations? You people are throwing the kitchen sink at me, just to avoid acknowledging that these shows are not hits and waning in popularity.


My source for these numbers is Numeris. https://numeris.ca/
I go to the website, download the PDF with the weekly overview, and write down the viewership number in a text file.

 

[Noname Given]

They show a decline in viewership of NuTrek shows, countering the narrative that these are popular shows, which is an argument used to counter criticisms of narrative issues, plot holes, canon violations, inconsistencies, ETC. (Which is the root of discussion: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/snw-truly-respects-tos-continuity.311582/page-2#post-14177062)


What are you talking about?



These are two examples of my original data source (Numeris) that I use to compile this overview:

I chose these two examples to show that these are broadcast viewership numbers, that include CTV Sci-Fi, and not the "Crave" numbers. What is so hard to understand about that? Read the thread, not just one post.



Yes, I do have a list, because I compiled that list from Numeris data.



No, they don't. I did that. I compiled that list from Numeris data.

And no, it's not a lot of work.
People here seem to have an obscure notion that is a hugely time-consuming task. It's not.
It's not hard to go to a website, download a PDF and write down a number in a text file.



Ok, so now I'm also accused of fabricating data. LOL!

It's the wrong data!
It's incomplete data!
It's irrelevant data!
It's fabricated data!

LOL!

Any more accusations? You people are throwing the kitchen sink at me, just to avoid acknowledging that these shows are not hits and waning in popularity.


My source for these numbers is Numeris. https://numeris.ca/
I go to the website, download the PDF with the weekly overview, and write down the viewership number in a text file.

But it's only data for Canada which is honestly and ancillary market as far as Paramount+ is concerned.

Unless you can show a concrete relationship between Canadian viewer data and US streaming data oh, it's apples and oranges.

 

[fireproof78]

They show a decline in viewership of NuTrek shows, countering the narrative that these are popular shows,

Why should I care?

I never watched Star Trek because it's popular. That's a bullshit transient status point that interests me about as much as raw fish.

So, again, why should any of us care?

 

[cooleddie74]

So many numbers. So little interest.

 

[fireproof78]

So many numbers. So little interest.

I haven't been this bored by numbers since my college statistics and research methodology class.

I don't recommend it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Tilly would look at those numbers and say: "Math sucks."

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

When I don't like a show, I don't need to publish an orgy of bullshit to validate my dislike of it. I simply don't watch it. I trust my own taste enough.

 

[cooleddie74]

Survivor was a ratings juggernaut. It was also shite. If popularity equals quality then we're doomed as a species.

 

[fireproof78]

When I don't like a show, I don't need to publish an orgy of bullshit to validate my dislike of it. I simply don't watch it. I trust my own taste enough.

Exactly.

I don't need data to tell me I don't like something. I straight up and down don't like it. I don't like TNG. By all means come at me with all the statistics that prove TNG's popularity. I still won't like it.

Survivor was a ratings juggernaut. It was also shit. If popularity equals quality then we're doomed as a species.

This is news to you?

 

[cooleddie74]

Only in the way "Third World country's dictator violates human rights of their citizens" is also breaking news.

 

[Campe]

They show a decline in viewership of NuTrek shows, countering the narrative that these are popular shows, which is an argument used to counter criticisms of narrative issues, plot holes, canon violations, inconsistencies, ETC.

No one cares.

First, you’re cherry picking your data, focusing just on Canada’s viewership. As others have suggested, in Paramount’s mind, Canada is a secondary territory.

Second, if you don’t like the show, don’t watch it! Don’t talk about it! No one is holding a phaser to your head demanding you do so. You spend an inordinate amount of time discussing something you seem to despise.

Of course you won’t give a response to this, but the question needs to be asked. Put your cards on the table, Char. WHY??!? Why are you REALLY wasting your time with this?