SNW Season 5 In Development

[Quinton]

I don't see P+ lasting through 2027, if not earlier. That's why I said that any speculation about what they're planning is wishful thinking.

Why do you suppose that would occur, out of curiosity? It’s turning a profit now. Is it because of Paramount’s blatantly terrible situation? That’d make sense, yeah, but Skydance has publicly stated on numerous occasions that they see a lot of value in the service. Which means little in the grand scheme of things, because businesses say stuff all the time, plans are always somewhat fluid, yadda-yadda, but it suggests Paramount+ is in an okay place. Not a safe place, but an okay one.

If the sale deal doesn’t fall apart!

But yeah, I do agree that it’s all wishful thinking, regardless. No one here knows what the future will bring this franchise. Not unless someone is secretly either a time traveler or David Ellison, I guess.

 

[Dukhat]

Why do you suppose that would occur, out of curiosity? It’s turning a profit now. Is it because of Paramount’s blatantly terrible situation? That’d make sense, yeah, but Skydance has publicly stated on numerous occasions that they see a lot of value in the service. Which means little in the grand scheme of things, because businesses say stuff all the time, plans are always somewhat fluid, yadda-yadda, but it suggests Paramount+ is in an okay place. Not a safe place, but an okay one.

If the sale deal doesn’t fall apart!

But yeah, I do agree that it’s all wishful thinking, regardless. No one here knows what the future will bring this franchise. Not unless someone is secretly either a time traveler or David Ellison, I guess.

Are they turning a profit? I was under the impression that P+ was losing money, hence why they're cancelling all these expensive-to-produce Trek shows.

But besides that, I just feel that whoever ends up acquiring Paramount Global will want to do their own thing. Yes, Star Trek is still a viable property in my opinion, but I think the way things have been going recently, it just doesn't seem to be working well. Paramount can't seem to produce a theatrical movie if their life depended on it, and the streaming shows are just whittling down to nothing, other than ideas to make it more kiddified or turn it into a comedy, neither idea of which seem to me to be a recipe for success. And the whole idea that Kurtzman has about pandering to people like Yeoh and Stewart and getting less-than-satisfactory results from it, just seems counterintuitive.

 

[Quinton]

Are they turning a profit? I was under the impression that P+ was losing money, hence why they're cancelling all these expensive-to-produce Trek shows.

But besides that, I just feel that whoever ends up acquiring Paramount Global will want to do their own thing. Yes, Star Trek is still a viable property in my opinion, but I think the way things have been going recently, it just doesn't seem to be working well. Paramount can't seem to produce a theatrical movie if their life depended on it, and the streaming shows are just whittling down to nothing. And the whole idea that Kurtzman has about pandering to people like Yeoh and Stewart and getting less-than-satisfactory results from it, just seems counterintuitive.

You’re right, sorry! It’s shrunk its quarterly losses to a far more manageable degree, and it’s likely to turn green by year’s end. But no, you’re correct, it is still losing some money as of May.

 

[oktay]

I don't see P+ lasting through 2027, if not earlier. That's why I said that any speculation about what they're planning is wishful thinking.

I can see the ongoing and upcoming new Trek TV series ending with a closed ending and being licensed worldwide to Netflix, while the Taylor Sheridan TV series's will be sold to Amazon or Netflix and continue there, with Paramount continuing as a mere 'producer'.

 

[Danja]

I can see the ongoing and upcoming new Trek TV series ending with a closed ending and being licensed worldwide to Netflix, while the Taylor Sheridan TV series's will be sold to Amazon or Netflix and continue there, with Paramount continuing as a mere 'producer'.

Netflix is ruthless (most shows on Netflix don't last beyond two seasons).

I remember a post on Twitter saying that there should be a band called Cancelled After Two Seasons on Netflix.

 

[fireproof78]

I can see the ongoing and upcoming new Trek TV series ending with a closed ending and being licensed worldwide to Netflix, while the Taylor Sheridan TV series's will be sold to Amazon or Netflix and continue there, with Paramount continuing as a mere 'producer'.

They will shift to cheaper programming and hopefully move back to the black.

Unlikely, but that's business. No one is promised tomorrow.

 

[oktay]

Netflix is ruthless (most shows on Netflix don't last beyond two seasons).

I remember a post on Twitter saying that there should be a band called Cancelled After Two Seasons on Netflix.

I'm saying that the new Trek TV series's, like the Old Trek series, will be licensed to Netflix once completed. As for the Taylor Sheridan TV series's, each one stars a famous movie star. I think they will catch the attention of Netflix viewers. Some of them will be completed with a proper ending before Paramount Plus shuts down.

They will shift to cheaper programming and hopefully move back to the black.

Unlikely, but that's business. No one is promised tomorrow.

We are talking about Netflix, but in such a case, Amazon can also buy 'those' series.

 

[Danja]

I'm saying that the new Trek TV series's, like the Old Trek series, will be licensed to Netflix once completed. As for the Taylor Sheridan TV series's, each one stars a famous movie star. I think they will catch the attention of Netflix viewers. Some of them will be completed with a proper ending before Paramount Plus shuts down.

I don't see P+ shutting down completely. It's one of the few certain outlets for Paramount's programming.

We are talking about Netflix, but in such a case, Amazon can also buy 'those' series.

Maybe ... Maybe not.

Nothing is certain.

 

[oktay]

I don't see P+ shutting down completely.

They're only in about 20 countries in the world, and the rest only sell content to 3rd party content providers with special deals. And they make big budget TV shows and only have 74 million subscribers. At this point, there's no way they're not making a loss and getting shut down.

 

[oktay]

Taylor Sheridan TV series's

Now that I think about it, considering Paramount Plus licenses most of their content to local media outlets and local digital platforms in many countries, they may not be able to sell to Netflix or Amazon due to the licenses. However, Taylor Sheridan tv show's could sell the US rights to Hulu or AMC+ and get new season renewals based on viewership numbers. Of course, these are possibilities for something that hasn't happened yet.

 

[MarcKle1964]

*26 and they don’t have to do any of what you are listing.

S4 is 10, S5 is 6. Oh no, they don't need Sulu or Scotty, do they?

 

[fireproof78]

S4 is 10, S5 is 6. Oh no, they don't need Sulu or Scotty, do they?

Scotty's already on board. A simple bit of dialog will list transfers under Captain Kirk.

Done.

 

[Michael]

S4 is 10, S5 is 6. Oh no, they don't need Sulu or Scotty, do they?

And you’re not counting the as of yet unaired season three because … ?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Six episodes?

I told you these people were brutal!

You were right Danja.

 

[MarcKle1964]

And you’re not counting the as of yet unaired season three because … ?

Season 3 episodes were finalized before this week's announcement. The scripts and casting completed months ago, some eps already completed. We would have heard buzz about 'casting Sulu' or similar by now. I thought this would all be obvious.

If a reimagined TOS is to synch with the original characters in the number of eps left, then those characters need to be added in the last 16 eps if the S3 episodes don't.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

By the end Uhura has to wear yellow and any potential Sulu has to wear blue lest they get a thorough tongue lashing for not lining up perfectly.

 

[Tuskin38]

We would have heard buzz about 'casting Sulu' or similar by now. I thought this would all be obvious.

Unless I’m misremembering,

We didn’t know Scotty was showing up until season 2 finale aired

We didn’t know Kirk was showing up in the show until shortly before the season 1 finale aired

So no, not necessarily

 

[oktay]

We didn’t know Kirk was showing up in the show until shortly before the season 1 finale aired

It was announced months ago that he would appear in the show and that she would also be featured in the season 1 finale.

 

[Noname Given]

Cutting the number of episodes is for me the sign that the beans-counters are not happy.

5 seasons is absolutely good in the streaming world for such an expensive show.

As SNW is also doing quite well critically & with fans, I think the problem is the current business model. Even Disney+ is ending their Star Wars Mando-universe in streaming to go for a movie. There is just no "Game of Thrones" around anymore. It's all niche, but very expensive.

Yeah no. It's not that they're not happy, but more that (because of Trump's FCC chairman blocking the merger until the Trump DOJ v, CBS '60 minutes' lawsuit is settled - which CBS is trying to do but in a way that may violate standing Bribery statutes, which the CA attorney General is investigating) - yeah, the very future of Paramount studios across the board is in question if the Paramount/Skydance merger is further delayed or doesn't happen.

 

[Michael]

We would have heard buzz about 'casting Sulu' or similar by now. I thought this would all be obvious.

No, not at all. You’re misremembering if you think that we had any advance knowledge that Scotty would show up in the season two finale. No reason to believe they wouldn’t do the exact same thing with another legacy character.