Smallville: 8x22 "Doomsday" - Discussion and Spoilers

[hyzmarca]

Read? The trailers are in theaters and on TV. It's pretty much impossible to miss them. You'd have to close your eyes and plug your ears every time one came on. The fact that there is time travel is spelled out pretty explicitly in the trailer dialog, and Leonard Nimoy is written in giant letters in trailer credits.

This is common knowledge, stuff that people who haven't seen the movie yet can be expected to be fully aware of. And knowing it doesn't detract from the experience.

Now, there is some other detail which if spoiled screws the whole thing up, Luke, I am your father level stuff. But the fact that time travel is used to justify the reboot isn't it that by a long shot.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

I found Star Trek to be very similar to Generations if I may add. Ok thats all I'll say on that matter. Sorry guy-dude-bro...It's a good movie though. Go see it! Still pissed about tonights episode.

 

[Hermiod]

I have not seen this yet, but I am willing to be spoiled about one thing.

Does this episode end in a way that says Allison Mack will be back next season ? Her recent Twitter updates have scared the crap out of me.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

si senor...

 

[FreezeC77]

I have not seen this yet, but I am willing to be spoiled about one thing.

Does this episode end in a way that says Allison Mack will be back next season ?

Yes it does.

 

[Hermiod]

I have not seen this yet, but I am willing to be spoiled about one thing.

Does this episode end in a way that says Allison Mack will be back next season ?

Yes it does.

Phew. This show nearly lost a viewer there.

 

[Roshi]

Oh my god, that episode was terrible! Congrats, you've reached a new low! Plot holes after plot holes. Why did Lois and Tess fight again? Are the writers even trying?

 

[Trekker4747]

what the heck?

and the timeline is restored with little Jimmy Olsen(who I think is a clone since he shares so many traits with his big brother)

Isn't it illogical to name two children the same name?

George Foreman named all of his children George.

Perhaps.

But it's still illogical.

 

[Trekker4747]

The thing that pissed me off the most? Procutus spoiling Star Trek for me. EVERYONE HAS NOT SEEN THE DAMN FILM YET!

I make sure I stay away from the Star Trek movie forums, I try to avoid all spoilers for the damn thing, and you go and spoil it for me in the damn Smallville thread? I AM SO FUCKING PISSED! This is the SMALLVILLE spoiler thread, not the STAR TREK one. Consider yourself on my list.

How exactly was that a spoiler? It's in the advertisements.

It is? I haven't read those either.

It isn't right to spoil ANY plot points for a movie barely out a week in a thread about a totally different subject. If I wanted to know ANYTHING about Star Trek, I would go to that forum and that is where all such information should be kept. Part of the reason Nemesis had such poor reviews was because the entire script was leaked a year before the film came out. So I was trying to give this one as much surprise as possible. I didn't think I'd have to avoid assholish behavior of spoiling such points in a totally unrelated thread. I can see I was wrong. I may have to give up posting in this forum altogether.

Umm. How did he spoil it for you?

 

[LaxScrutiny]

OK, Doomsday vs Clark: The whole season has supposedly been building up to this confrontation, and this is all we get? It's not just that it was a short fight, but that it was a pointless one. Doomsday is indestructable, they know this won't kill it.

Clark and Davis: This was ironic, and Ollie had actually suggested this. It makes sense, possibly the only sense this season, that Clark would try Black K on Doomsday to "save" Davis. The thing is, you don't try something like that thinking it will save anyone but Davis. You do it to save one person, yes, but not if it puts even two people at risk, much less the entire world. The best case scenario here doesn't really play out in the positives. Clark should have said, "If I get the chance, I want to try the Black, because we should save the Davis persona if we can." Davis shouldn't have been the main goal, the main goal is saving countless lives from Doomsday, even if it costs several in the process.

Chloe and Doomsday/Davis: All those loving looks from Chloe to Davis were just flat out misleading. Chloe's choices are still not explained or logical, there was no reason to stop Clark sending him to the Phantom Zone.

Jimmy: Cheap trick. Not clever. It might have been clever if they mentioned his brother's name a couple seasons ago. And the kid should have had red hair.

Clark vs Ollie: They both need to back off. Ollie should tell Clark that he has felt regret and questioned his actions, Clark needs to understand that human beings kill in self defence, and ultimately killing Lex Luthor is self defence no matter when or how you do it. What we have instead is two characters who should be able to get along, they are instead having a testosterone fueled feud.

Clark vs the League: Let's pretend to go along with Clark, and then side with Ollie at the last minute. OK. Clark is part of the League, he has to be part of the League, if the League is playing around with him and siding with Ollie, it put's the weight against Clark. If Clark is "right" and everyone else is "wrong", then he should have nothing to do with them. They are all too black and white about this. It is a device to drive them apart, not realistic.

Clark vs Himself: Maybe this is a journey he has to take, but he shouldn't have to. 5 second philosophies are not something to decide your life. Clark isn't showing the wisdom or thoughtfulness to justify turning his back on his humanity. He is not showing a lick of intelligence or memory either. Kryptonians are not emotionless robot Vulcans. They have emotions that have always appeared not dissimilar to humans. So what is Clark supposedly turning his back on? He is already human, the Kryptonians were human in all ways except they had powers and technology. If there is a difference, the writers need to decide what it is and depict it.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Moments of Awesome mixed with WTF Bullshittery, sometimes both at the same time, but ultimately with the latter outnumbering the former.

 

[Servo]

Isn't it illogical to name two children the same name?

George Foreman named all of his children George.

Perhaps.

But it's still illogical.

They never said the kid was called Jimmy, and even the Jimmy we've known so far was really called Henry, so It's highly unlikely that the two had the same name. And maybe the kid will choose Jimmy as his professional name in the future, to honour his brother.

About the episode; the Clark/Doomsday fight was lame. After a whole season of build-up, we get ten seconds worth of action. Are the writers purposely trying to piss the fans off? Between the history of the characters, and the season-long build-up, surely they must have known that everyone was expecting an epic showdown between the two. What we got was nothing short of pathetic, and insulting.

The Lois/Tess fight had far too many clothes involved.

Didn't see Jimmy's death coming, and I'm actually sorry to see him go. Davis could be back, depending on how you interpret that final scene. I like how he didn't just become all cuddly after being seperated.

I actually liked the grim tone that Clark and the JL were left on, and it will be interesting to see what comes of that.
I do also like how they left Doomsday - buried alive, and it'll take just enough time for him to dig himself out for CK to become Superman - even though the way it happened was shite.

 

[BenRoethig]

Correction, Sam might be back. The Davis character is dead though.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Meh. I preferred the Supernatural finale complete with nun massacre, one of our Heroes allowing an innocent nurse's throat to be slit in his mistaken belief that it would allow him to stop Lucifer from rising.....and then Lucifer himself rising (complete with white light instead of dark because he's a fallen angel whose name means "light bringer") as the credits start to roll.

I watched the Smallville finale. I tried to get it. I really tried to get the appeal because I think Allison Mack is incredibly talented, and I do love me some sexy Sam Witwer, but I have to be honest. Clark is a whining pussy. One of the Winchester brothers opened the first seal to start the apocalypse countdown, and the other broke the last one because he's an idiot (after murdering a nurse). What does Clark have to feel bad about compared to that? Everyone loves him.

 

[Hermiod]

^As you may have gathered, I watch this show for Allison Mack. She goes, I go, really.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Heck, I wish Allison Mack were on my show. They never seem to find the right casting for a young female regular. Mack would have been perfection as Anna, a fallen angel reborn human who's now imprisoned by a faction of angels who wanted the apocalypse to start because they're convinced they can defeat Lucifer and "Earth's in need of an enema, anyway."

Oh yes. Zachariah the angel as played by the wonderfully devilish Kurt Fuller delivered that gem of a line to one of the heroes Winchester. And Clark Kent is depressed? Why? He doesn't know what misery is.

 

[Brent]

Allison Mack is pretty much the only reason I watch anymore also

 

[DarKush]

I'm probably not saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I was disappointed by the Smallville finale. The finales used to be some of the best, most gripping episodes of the season which is fitting. However, the last two have been misfires. "Doomsday" wasn't as much of a mess as season seven's finale, but after the cool build-up to the Doomsday/Clark fight, it was over in less than five minutes.

There was just too much going on in this show. As much as I like the League they didn't need to be in the episode. They really didn't do much. Keep Oliver, but Black Canary and Impulse were wasted.

The Lois going to the future thing was unnecessary too, though I concede it might set up an interesting storyline next season. But I think that Tess and Lois were largely unnecessary to the storyline as well.

At least a good 10-15 minutes should've gone to the Clark/Doomsday fight. I also wasn't impressed by the Zod teaser. I'm wondering if that was Lex in the middle of the symbol, or a reborn Davis? I think Smallville messed up Zod with the Lex-Zod from Season 5/6. Perhaps it would've made more sense to bring back Brainiac, or even better Darkseid, than Zod, esp. if they're not going to do him right and make him a character distinct from Davis or Lex. Not sure how all that ties to Tess, the orb, and Kandor. I wish they had explained that a little better so that I could at least know what I'm supposed to be excited about.

Jimmy's sacrifice was unexpected. I had grown tired of Ashmore, but I think it made more sense to kill off Chloe. I'm tired of them teasing us with her death, first in Season 6, and then with the Legion's mention of not being familiar with her. I love Allison Mack, but I think her character's usefulness in the overall scheme of things has been fulfilled. The little brother thing was awkward, and robbed Jimmy's death of the WTF moment I had when they killed him off. Smallville has already veered enough from Superman canon-if there's even such a thing-to just kill off Jimmy Olsen. What's the big deal? This show wouldn't be showing Clark's adventures as Superman anyway, so why should it matter?

I did like Davis's turn after being turned fully human. The look of rage on his face as he shouted about what he had lost, or that he was nothing or something was great, and a nice ironic twist. I also liked Oliver's darker turn as of late. I didn't care for Hartley's portrayal of Green Arrow at first, but he's grown on me. I liked how the League turned on Clark, but I wished they had at least shown them taking on Doomsday/Davis.

The FX for Doomsday were pretty good. It's just too bad that we didn't see enough of him in action. Though I did like that Clark buried him, perhaps more than him being trapped in the future by the Legion.

 

[broberfett]

No, don't send Doomsday to the future. Go BACK in time and KILL CHLOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's funny, but it would be a little nicer to just abduct her and take her to the future. She'd think it was neat and she'd be harmless. She would also stop annoying us.

 

[DarthPipes]

It would have been smarter trying the Black K thing at the Fortress. Seperate the two and then suck DD into the Phantom Zone. Like I said, I don't blame Clark for trying to save Davis. Despite the stupid ending, Davis came across as a generally likeable and sympathetic guy. That's what made the DD storyline so effective.

Clark vs Ollie: They both need to back off. Ollie should tell Clark that he has felt regret and questioned his actions, Clark needs to understand that human beings kill in self defence, and ultimately killing Lex Luthor is self defence no matter when or how you do it. What we have instead is two characters who should be able to get along, they are instead having a testosterone fueled feud.

Exactly. Clark lectures Ollie about killing Lex but let's think back to that episode. Lex had Toyman plan a bomb that killed the Luthorcorps board and nearly killed Ollie. He then sent Toyman to kill Ollie a second time at the hospital. And in Clark's mind, Oliver wasn't justified to fight back...give me a break.

Of course, Oliver wanting to kill Lex because of what Lex's father did was even worse.

In regards to this season, I thought it was generally good. The first half was strongest, with the DD storyline and Clark starting to embrace the idea of being a hero. The Lana storyline though dragged the entire show down and despite a few good episodes afterwards, it never really recovered.

Now we have a recycled storyline for Season 9 with the return of Zod. I can see why Rosenbaum left the show. Unless they decide to make Clark superman next season (and it would rock if they did), there's no reason to keep this show going. I'm tired of Clark's endless supply of angst.