Slipstream, Warp, and Transwarp

[tharpdevenport]

If TNG gave us that bullcrap about not warping space 'cause you'll destroy it, surely you can't fold space either.

Surely there must be a sign that reads "Do Not Bend, Spindle, or Fold Space. Thanks."

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

If TNG gave us that bullcrap about not warping space 'cause you'll destroy it, surely you can't fold space either.

Surely there must be a sign that reads "Do Not Bend, Spindle, or Fold Space. Thanks."

I believe if you don't bend space a little you're reduced to Newtonian speeds. Very slow by ST standards.

 

[tharpdevenport]

You know, you reminded me of the current thread about whether Q can be stopped. Somebody in it suggested the Q might be worried about humanity catching up to them, since it was implied the Q just might have greater technology. If we accept the Enterprise J as canon (I prefer to dump all of Enterprise from the Trek universe), that means even sometimes later humanity is still traveling on ships and having to bend, fold or otherwise manipulate space to get to places faster. I don't think the Q should be very concenered.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

You know, you reminded me of the current thread about whether Q can be stopped. Somebody in it suggested the Q might be worried about humanity catching up to them, since it was implied the Q just might have greater technology. If we accept the Enterprise J as canon (I prefer to dump all of Enterprise from the Trek universe), that means even sometimes later humanity is still traveling on ships and having to bend, fold or otherwise manipulate space to get to places faster. I don't think the Q should be very concenered.

I think the Qs think in millennia, millions of years even. They're not concerned about our species a few centuries from now. Quint was in that comet for what? Three hundred years? See what I mean? That's nothing to them.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Even then the Q have the same amount of time to advance further themselves. But if it one day turns out to be a temporal paradox and the Q are nothing more than the human race advanced from far, FAR into the future, I'm going to have to form a posse and going Trek writer hunting.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The way it seems in Voyager, transwarp utilizes some sort of existing passages in space which need to be built.

Slipstream seemed similar, only it created the passage as it went.

 

[Ithekro]

There are many types of transwarps. There is the corridor version the Borg use, and then there is the open space model the Voth use.

It would seem that Starfleet would have some sort of transwarp-ish drive system by the 2390s. That or someone in Command decide it was silly to constantly be calling for various tenths or more of a factor over warp 9. Warp 13 being something. It could be something more akin to faster but not needing as much power as Warp 9.999999999999999999 etc, etc.... Also easier to say.

 

[Enterprise1701]

VOY - "Vis a Vis" had the one-off episode coaxial warp drive, which "folded" space to get around. According to Doug Drexler, designer of the briefly-seen 26th century Enterprise-J in ENT - "Azati Prime", the Enterprise-J uses coaxial warp drive.

How about that ship from the future that they find in ENT that uses a temporal displacement drive or something like that? You know the one the sulibans AND the Tholians try unsuccessfully to steal from the Enterprise.

What about it? TNG - "A Matter of Time" and VOY - "Future's End, Part 1" have already established that the Federation will develop conventional timeships.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Ever notice they pretty much ignore temporal shielding after Year of Hell? Voyager should have been immune to history being changed from that point forward. And in Timeless, the Federation should have had a fleet fully protected from any time inversions.

 

[Ithekro]

The ship in ENT that the Tholians and Suliban are after is clearly a TARDIS (Time Capsule, likely an older model than even the Type 40).

 

[F. King Daniel]

The ship in ENT that the Tholians and Suliban are after is clearly a TARDIS (Time Capsule, likely an older model than even the Type 40).

And Guinan is clearly a Time Lady!

 

[FormerLurker]

^One of the reasons I don't think she's an El Aurian. In fact, the El Aurians are long lived, but not half so long as Guinan is. By the time the D crew meet her in the 19th century, she's already some several hundred years old. And if Soran needs a weapon against Picard and Kirk, yet Guinan just gestures at Q and he balks, are they, Guinan and Soran, really the same species?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Joel, your description of transwarp from STO sounds suspiciously like Frank Herbert's Folding Space from the Dune series. I'm wondering if the programmers were just lazy and substituted that idea for the unknown methodology of transwarp.

lol...they probably did....