Sleepy Hollow Season 2 Discussion

[JD]

I'm kind of torn about Katrina's role change. I was actually starting to like her, so I am a little disappointed she's going bad, but at the same time at least now it will give her a more solid role in the story.
I did not expect the time travel stuff at the end, but I do love the reversal of Abbie and Ichabod's situations. The twist on the song from the pilot, cracked me up. Those are the little things that make shows fun.
I'm very curious to see if they are going to use the time travel to change things, or if it's just a fun little side trip.
I like John Noble, so I am disappointed to see Henry go.
Very glad we got good Frank back, I was afraid they were going to end up killing him again.

 

[Christopher]

Reposting from my comments on Tor.com:

I gotta admit, I kind of want to side with [Katrina] on this one. I'm not sure what Ichabod and Abbie were so afraid of. Sure, there's a downside to a few thousand people suddenly gaining magical power without self-discipline, but it's not an Apocalypse-level threat, and Katrina surely has a point that her people have a right to exist and shouldn't have been screwed over by the Father of Our Country. So basically Ichabod killed his son (or Abbie did, but with his aid and blessing) for reasons having more to do with protecting the status quo than saving the world, and that seems rather petty. In the long run, with the right guidance, having thousands of magic-users around could be a positive thing. Imagine what they could do for climate change or curing disease. Sure, there would be those who would abuse their power, but there are already a ton of supernatural threats in Sleepy Hollow; adding a bunch more people who could defend against them seems like a good idea.

 

[Jaron]

Reposting from my comments on Tor.com:

I gotta admit, I kind of want to side with [Katrina] on this one. I'm not sure what Ichabod and Abbie were so afraid of. Sure, there's a downside to a few thousand people suddenly gaining magical power without self-discipline, but it's not an Apocalypse-level threat, and Katrina surely has a point that her people have a right to exist and shouldn't have been screwed over by the Father of Our Country. So basically Ichabod killed his son (or Abbie did, but with his aid and blessing) for reasons having more to do with protecting the status quo than saving the world, and that seems rather petty. In the long run, with the right guidance, having thousands of magic-users around could be a positive thing. Imagine what they could do for climate change or curing disease. Sure, there would be those who would abuse their power, but there are already a ton of supernatural threats in Sleepy Hollow; adding a bunch more people who could defend against them seems like a good idea.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the threat of the bell. We got to see three people with magic for a minute or so, and two of them turned to murder. Maybe if Katrina and Henry had some sort of plan to control them, but they were just ringing the bell and hoping they'd be in charge of the new witches.

Besides, it's one thing to say that witches have the right to exist, but it's another to force it on people without their consent. Even in your best case scenario you're drafting them in to a war against the supernatural; think about what happens if people panic and start burning them again.

 

[Christopher]

^Even so, it's kind of a minor threat compared to the end of all life as we know it, so it's kind of anticlimactic for it to be the reason that Ichabod's okay with offing his own son.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Katrina turned to the Dark Side much faster than Anakin Skywalker did in Revenge of the Sith. It was so ... out of character for her. Maybe the showrunners have written themselves into a corner. The damsel in distress was all right, and I had no problems with her being a sidekick witch. But being in cohorts with her own son who was the former Horseman of War was hard to fathom, unless as Abbie stated, Katrina was under Henry's spell, which she wasn't. Next to Hawley, Katrina is the weakest link on this show, but I at least half-expected the writers to kill her off in an epic battle, not turn her into a villain.

 

[DWF]

I don't believe Katrina's turn was out of character, over the season she'd come to feel for Abraham and I do think her turn was aided. Nor do I think Henry plan was as simple as it seemed, he was perfectly willing to kill Abby to make it happen. Seriously I hope they push the reset button in the finale.

 

[Aragorn]

Katrina doesn't have enough of a character for anything to be in-character or out-of-character. They want her to become bad so she becomes bad. They want Irving to be good again, so he's now good again. There's no development this season; it's just a bunch of things happening being strung together.

There's a new article on TV Guide where the actress expresses her frustration with the writing.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, I'm glad Irving is finally okay. I was afraid that Jenny was going to stone him anyway. Hopefully they'll stop screwing around with him now, if they get a third season. If Henry is really gone as well, that fixes two of the problems with the show.

I'm okay with Katrina going to the dark side, whether she is killed or becomes a recurring antagonist. I never really saw any chemistry between her and Ichabod.

The time travel twist is interesting. Abby certainly won't do as well in the past as Ichabod does in the present-- I just hope they don't reset the entire timeline.

^Even so, it's kind of a minor threat compared to the end of all life as we know it, so it's kind of anticlimactic for it to be the reason that Ichabod's okay with offing his own son.

Henry's whole reason for triggering the latent witches was "Today Sleepy Hollow, tomorrow the world."

 

[Forbin]

Just a note of historical trivia - no witches were burned in America. That was a European thing. The common form of witch execution in the colonies was hanging.

 

[Christopher]

Just a note of historical trivia - no witches were burned in America. That was a European thing. The common form of witch execution in the colonies was hanging.

Which they did get right in the flashbacks to Salem in the Solomon Kent episode.

 

[Samurai8472]

Katie Winters even thinks there's a problem with Katrina

http://www.tvguide.com/news/even-katia-winter-thinks-sleepy-hollow-has-a-katrina-problem/

Why do you think fans have had such a hard time connecting to and rooting for Katrina? Winter: God, I've had a hard time at times. I'm doing the best with what I've given. I'm not in control over the story lines, so I've at times been frustrated with certain things. So I totally see why it's been difficult for fans. Because Katrina wasn't really established in Season 1. She came out of Purgatory in Season 2 and Ichabod already has a relationship with Abbie that works great and they have great chemistry. I think Katrina hasn't really had her purpose until this point. She's been a source, an asset, in moments and times, and she's been torn between Ichabod and Headless. She's been trying to do this good thing, but she always seems to upset people. There's always someone upset with Katrina.

 

[Greg Cox]

I don't mind Katrina going evil if it finally makes her interesting. She's been kind of a fifth wheel all season. Being the Big Bad gives her something to do.

Agreed. I like to think that she's finally living up to the promise of that spooky shot of her in the opening credits, in which she looks distinctly sly and "witchy" . . . .

Credits Katrina has always been more intriguing than Episodes Katrina.

 

[Mr Light]

That was certainly a big interesting episode with a great cliffhanger. I had no idea next episode is the season finale

Katrina suddenly turning evil was just bizarre, though. the whole time I just assumed she was planning to betray Henry at the last second, but it never happened. that character has never worked for me, but her being "evil" at the end there was the first time I felt the acting was good.

Finale should be cool though!

Hey, what happened to Orion? I thought he was going to be the big bad, but he was only in the one episode. And is Not-Gambit actually officially off the show now?

I, too, was very confused when they suddenly started calling non-witches "mortals". Are the witches suddenly immortal now? Then why did Henry and Katrina have to be in purgatory / magic suspended animation? Why aren't all the witches that Katrina knew alive and well in the modern day?

 

[theenglish]

I didn't think the change to evil was bad at all. Throughout the season she has been out of place, and has been developing more and more sympathy for the dark side characters. I expected her to turn on our protagonists in the battle with Moloch.

 

[Christopher]

Katrina suddenly turning evil was just bizarre, though. the whole time I just assumed she was planning to betray Henry at the last second, but it never happened. that character has never worked for me, but her being "evil" at the end there was the first time I felt the acting was good.

She isn't really evil, though. She feels her people were wronged and she has a chance to save them, and she's grieving and furious that her husband betrayed her and killed their son. Her motives are essentially benevolent -- to protect and save the people dearest to her -- but her priorities have shifted and her grief and anger have made her willing to embrace darker, more ruthless methods.

I, too, was very confused when they suddenly started calling non-witches "mortals". Are the witches suddenly immortal now? Then why did Henry and Katrina have to be in purgatory / magic suspended animation? Why aren't all the witches that Katrina knew alive and well in the modern day?

Although "mortal" literally means "subject to death," it's sometimes used to mean "pertaining to the ordinary world," and thus can be used to refer to non-magical folk even if the corresponding magical folk are not necessarily ageless/deathless. Words tend to shift in meaning.

Still, as I remarked, it did sort of jar me out of the story and make me wonder if the writers had been watching Bewitched lately.

 

[DWF]

Katrina suddenly turning evil was just bizarre, though. the whole time I just assumed she was planning to betray Henry at the last second, but it never happened. that character has never worked for me, but her being "evil" at the end there was the first time I felt the acting was good.

She isn't really evil, though. She feels her people were wronged and she has a chance to save them, and she's grieving and furious that her husband betrayed her and killed their son. Her motives are essentially benevolent -- to protect and save the people dearest to her -- but her priorities have shifted and her grief and anger have made her willing to embrace darker, more ruthless methods.

Katrina attempted to kill Abbie to stop her from hitting Henry, she turned evil long before Henry's death. If her thought was to protect her loved ones aparently Crane isn't among them. They're really made her too powerful now, her magic in the past was rather light mpw she's throwing fire from her hands and she now doesn't appear to need any rest from the use of such magic, unlike even two eps. ago.

 

[JD]

I, too, was very confused when they suddenly started calling non-witches "mortals". Are the witches suddenly immortal now? Then why did Henry and Katrina have to be in purgatory / magic suspended animation? Why aren't all the witches that Katrina knew alive and well in the modern day?

The priest from the first episode was alive in the Revolutionary War, and survived until he was killed not long after Ichabod woke up, so at least some of the witches/warlocks are either immortal or very long lived.

 

[Christopher]

Abbie getting to meet Grace was really moving. And I love it that, in this story featuring people like Benjamin Franklin, the real linchpin of the fight to save the world is a black woman who's been ignored by conventional history. That's so subversive.

I'm surprised they killed off Katrina, evidently pretty decisively. I thought she had more Big Bad potential in her than that. Now things are really back to basics -- no more Katrina or Henry or Hawley, just Ichabod, the Mills sisters, and Irving.

Best moment of the night, though? "Slide to unlock."

 

[DWF]

Well so much for the Katrina problem, now she nad Henry have turned into their version of Force ghosts. I am glad though that they didn't push an overall reset button, I was alittle shocked when Franklin was beheaded but at least history is safe now. I loved the Starbucks conversation, that echoed the same conversation in the second ep. of the series. Although it is alittle strange that Franklin has a house in Sleepy Hollow.

 

[Gryffindorian]

It makes sense now. By turning Katrina into an evil character, it would be much easier to "write her off," eliminate her completely from the picture by killing her. I didn't really hate her character, but the actress had very little to work with. If there is a third season, I wonder what direction it's going into.