Sleepy Hollow Season 2 Discussion

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Well, Henry's not too bright. He keeps pissing off Moloch.

The Weeping Woman was pretty creepy, and there were a couple of nicely scary scenes. It had a bit of an Urban Legend feel to it, like early episodes of Supernatural. Poor Ichabod, though-- not only did his friend Caroline die, but he found out about what really happened to Mary. He's going to feel guilty about both.

And looks like we'll have a Werewolf next week.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Michelle Trachtenberg to play Abigail Adams

 

[Kosh Naranek]

Every time I see Irving in that black bandanna I giggle a little bit.

Isn't messing with Katrina like this going to tick off Abraham? That spider crawling into her mouth freaked me out.

Henry is definitely putting screwing with his parents over Moloch's plan. M basically said no touchy pa about Katrina last week and Henry is back to messing with her this week.

 

[Christopher]

Pretty fun episode, although giving Corben a son out of nowhere felt a bit contrived. Also, why didn't the gang realize that Henry knew where the secret cell was located and put some kind of security in place?

The other thing that threw me was Irving's assumption that Macy would be paralyzed for the rest of her life. It was just reported last week that medical science has managed to give a paralyzed man some mobility back. It's still experimental, but Macy's young -- she could conceivably be walking again by the time she's thirty. Even aside from that, there's no reason she can't still have a full, normal life. Okay, Irving said she can't have children, but there's always surrogacy or adoption.

 

[propita]

Agree about Katrina's darkness coming through.

I keep thinking that the witnesses are being maneuvered to find/retrieve or find/destroy items that Moloch & Co. can't access. "Ooh, it's important to Moloch, we must get it first." When all Moloch wanted was for you to GET it so he could take it away from you.

Still not fond of Hawley; I want Jenny there. Loved the Shawnee portion, that Crane knows/respects them.

I want Irving back. Must suck for Orlando Jones to not be with the rest of the cast; he seems like a pretty affable guy from his online notices.

 

[JD]

Really enjoyed this one. The stuff with the Wendigo was cool, and an interesting way for Henry to work against Ichabod and Abbie. It was also nice to spend some more time with Irving. I wonder what they will do with Henry owning his soul. I'm assuming he's going to try turn him over to his side.
Things don't look good for Katrina in the last scene and preview for next week.

 

[Gryffindorian]

My question about Joe was when did he go Wendigo? I know, I know. It was Henry's doing. This Wendigo version was better than Teen Wolf's.

The actor who played Corbin's son bore some resemblance to Clancy Brown himself. Great casting.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I thought the monster this week was going to be a Werewolf, but a Wendigo is almost as good. Wendigos don't get used very often. And the "supernatural anthrax" delivery system for the curse was clever.

It was pretty surprising that Henry and his thugs were able to assault the batcave so easily. That was a major oversight on the part of the Sleepy Hollow brigade.

I got a kick out of Ichabod learning about superheroes. "Peter Parker... no, he's that arachnid fellow."

Michelle Trachtenberg to play Abigail Adams

Ah, that's good news.

I want Irving back. Must suck for Orlando Jones to not be with the rest of the cast; he seems like a pretty affable guy from his online notices.

Yeah, he's really been wasted so far this year, after his character turned out to be so cool by the end of last season. I hope all this is leading up to something good.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Yeah, he's really been wasted so far this year, after his character turned out to be so cool by the end of last season. I hope all this is leading up to something good.

Well he's certainly not destined to die any time soon, considering he's clearly intended to be the fellow who writes about all these adventures in the future.

 

[Christopher]

I have a disturbing theory... So far this season, we've seen a lot of Hawley, not to mention Katrina and Abraham, and comparatively little of Irving and Jenny. I'm afraid that some network exec has been saying to the producers, "Yeah, but we need to appeal more to the white demographic..."

 

[bbailey861]

The actor who played Corbin's son bore some resemblance to Clancy Brown himself. Great casting.

We just caught this one last night from the PVR - and that is the first thing I said as well. I could easily believe that the two were related.

Sleepy Hollow has easily become one of my top two or three shows this season.

I've always had my doubts about Katrina and it would appear my hunch is paying off. Hawley - or 'surfer dude' as I call him in my house is being used too much. He can be a go-to guy, but not every episode. I do like the addition of Joe, although we're not likely to see him too often if he is going to go off to Quantico. From the onset, I was very sorry that Sheriff August Corbin was killed off. I have always enjoyed Clancy Brown and would loved to have seen him stick around. I guess I just have to be happy he makes an appearance every now and then.

 

[Christopher]

Hmm, I guess the actor playing Joe bore a visual resemblance to Clancy Brown, but the things that make Brown effective are his voice and his charisma, and this actor fell far short in both respects. So he's an unimpressive substitute.

 

[Forbin]

I have a disturbing theory... So far this season, we've seen a lot of Hawley, not to mention Katrina and Abraham, and comparatively little of Irving and Jenny. I'm afraid that some network exec has been saying to the producers, "Yeah, but we need to appeal more to the white demographic..."

That would suck in so many ways.

btw, the show makes me wonder what the local demographics in Sleepy Hollow actually are. Having vacationed a lot in New England, it always struck me as a very white area, settled by Europeans like the Dutch and English. I was surprised at how many African Americans are in the series!

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I have a disturbing theory... So far this season, we've seen a lot of Hawley, not to mention Katrina and Abraham, and comparatively little of Irving and Jenny. I'm afraid that some network exec has been saying to the producers, "Yeah, but we need to appeal more to the white demographic..."

So now we're just going to start random rumors for the sake of it? Blatantly racist ones at that?

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

I have a disturbing theory... So far this season, we've seen a lot of Hawley, not to mention Katrina and Abraham, and comparatively little of Irving and Jenny. I'm afraid that some network exec has been saying to the producers, "Yeah, but we need to appeal more to the white demographic..."

I share your concern.

Jenny, in particular, is being completely neglected by the writers. Hawley's filling the role that Jenny began last season -- supplying artifacts and lore for the case of the week -- and consequently taking Lydia Greenwood's screen time. Mix in the possible love triangle that seems to be slowly building between Hawley and the Mills sisters and the show may be steering into cliched soap stories.

I'll be most disappointed if Jenny and Abby start competing/fighting over a man because A) the series has shown that it doesn't need to sink to that level of sexist and trite writing and B) I love that Jenny and Abby are sort of the sister version of the Winchester brothers. Ten seasons of Supernatural and they've never fought over the attention of a woman they were both interested in; I'd hoped that the Mills sisters could do likewise.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

I have a disturbing theory... So far this season, we've seen a lot of Hawley, not to mention Katrina and Abraham, and comparatively little of Irving and Jenny. I'm afraid that some network exec has been saying to the producers, "Yeah, but we need to appeal more to the white demographic..."

So now we're just going to start random rumors for the sake of it? Blatantly racist ones at that?

He's not starting a rumor, just introducing a concern that is based on the very real nature of network executives and their often wrong-minded thinking.

Look at Almost Human last year: network executives forced the episodes to air out of their designated order so that the episodes with the most sex and/or violence aired at the start of the season, to presumably hook viewers. What the execs failed to grasp, however, is that the show (while not heavily serialized) had a story arc that ran through the 13 episode season and was effectively jettisoned as a result of the fouled up broadcast order.

Last year on HBO, they aired a documentary on child casting in Hollywood. As a part of a child actor casting workshop, actual casting agents and former casting directors came in and "critiqued" the young actors. They offered detailed advice and suggestions to each person they saw, except for the Asian-American kids.

The Asian-American kids were told simply to come back after pilot season was over, because that's when they cast the kids' best friends or neighbors and that -- according to these experts -- was the best that Asian-American child actors could hope for in this business. What a terrible and soul-crushing thing to be told, but the casting professionals were just being matter-of-fact and honest about the mind-set of the Hollywood higher-ups, lowering these kids' expectations down to realistic (and depressing) levels.

This is the sort of awful thinking that Christopher was referring to. No rumor, just the sad state of Hollywood and those in charge.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I have a disturbing theory... So far this season, we've seen a lot of Hawley, not to mention Katrina and Abraham, and comparatively little of Irving and Jenny. I'm afraid that some network exec has been saying to the producers, "Yeah, but we need to appeal more to the white demographic..."

So now we're just going to start random rumors for the sake of it? Blatantly racist ones at that?

He's not starting a rumor

Yes, he is. That's the very definition of starting a rumor. It's not founded one bit on actual, genuine fact. Just a paranoid view based on his own personal opinion because, for some reason, he thinks Jenny and Irving are essentially being written out of the show despite them being in just about every single episode. Which is saying quite a bit since, from their very introduction, they were minor sideline characters in the first place.

 

[Christopher]

No, it would be a rumor if I claimed that they actually were doing that. I was simply expressing a concern that it might be the case.

And neither Irving nor Jenny is a "minor sideline character." Orlando Jones has been a main-title regular since the start of the series, and Lyndie Greenwood was a major player in season 1 and has been upgraded to a main-title regular this season. Yet both of them are getting less screen time recently than Hawley, who's nominally just a guest star, and whose role in the series seems rather redundant at this point since, as others have pointed out, he's basically just filling the role Jenny was already filling perfectly well.

 

[RJDiogenes]

btw, the show makes me wonder what the local demographics in Sleepy Hollow actually are. Having vacationed a lot in New England, it always struck me as a very white area, settled by Europeans like the Dutch and English. I was surprised at how many African Americans are in the series!

I have no idea what the real Sleepy Hollow is like, but the Greater Boston area is certainly not very white. We have a huge Black and Hispanic population, a lots of Asians, a plenty of Middle Easterners. When I worked at BMC, most of the patients and probably most of my co-workers were non white. In the neighborhood where I live, in Quincy, most of the population is Asian.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Actually, I just looked it up on Wiki. The Sleepy Hollow of the story, which is in New York, not New England (I thought it was in New England, too), is 61% White and over 6% Black, with the rest being a mix, which doesn't seem inconsistent with what we've seen.