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Spoilers SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread

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Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

And now we get another example of why Dayton doesn't post here any more.

I think you're getting him confused with someone else who spat his dummy out never to return.

After I finished Rough Beasts of Empire, I read through the review thread (which was nearly as long as the book). That thread is infamous in this sub-forum for being the straw that broke the back of DRGIII's presence in this BBS, but I didn't want to enter it until I'd read the book.

Simply put, that thread was a war zone.

DRGIII was responding to nearly every criticism with long-winded posts rebuking their claims or opinions and, since the book had just come out, he spoiler-coded almost everything he wrote. Hitting one of his spoiler boxes was like stepping on a land-mine: BOOM! wall of text!

He was super-defensive about parts of the book (especially Sisko's choices) and seemed to take any reader's poor view of Sisko's decisions personally. He had to know that what Sisko did would be controversial and polarizing, yet he's flabbergasted when any posters suggest that Sisko made the wrong choice.

It was an odd overreaction to criticism that was 1) justified by the drastic shift in the direction of a popular character, and 2) well & fairly articulated by most of the posters to whom he was responding. This wasn't trolling or mean-spirited rhetoric, just some constructive criticism and a debate about creative choices.

Reading all these exchanges years afterward, the whole thread just comes off as an extremely bizarre hill for DRGIII's participation in this forum to die on.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

So yeah, about THIS book.......:rolleyes:

I'm over halfway. I'm finding myself not disliking it, but also not over the moon. It all just seems to.... happen. Nothing feels very exciting or sudden. I'm still finishing this, but I'm sofar, it's not a big attention grabber for me.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Only 50 pages in, nothing that good or bad
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Hmm. A bit of a slow start, but it started to pick up rather dramatically about halfway through.

In many ways, it reads like a SW novel (or a SW movie, for that matter): constantly jumping back and forth between plot threads happening in different places. Except that there are a lot more characters to keep track of (as opposed, in the case of SW, just, for example, Luke, Leia, Han, Threepio, Artoo, Vader, and Palpatine)

The Lrondi remind me a lot of Trill Symbionts, the mutant Symbionts that became the blue bugs of Conspiracy, and the Vindrizi from B5: Exogenesis. And maybe also the Spores, from "This Side of Paradise."

They don't so much remind me of the Blastoneuron plague.

Oh, and just how does one pronounce the name, "Rideout"? Depending on which letters (if any) are silent, it could come out so many different ways. (Pronunciation of the Thranx names in ADF's Humanx Commonwealth milieu is so much more obvious and unambiguous. Kind of weird when Human character names, names that are hardly unknown even today, are a bigger challenge to pronounce than non-Human character names.)
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Continuing my previous post, the ending seemed a bit rushed. Once the . . .
. . . Lrondi leader is ripped free of his host, . . .
. . . it seemed like a lot of "show's over, nothing more to see here; move along."

I would have liked to have seen a lot more of the aftermath. And find out what it was that made Tellarites so unappetizing. It's only a minor breach of the author-reader contract, not nearly of the magnitude found in Paul Gillebaard's egregious waste of paper and ink, but still, it was something I hoped to see explored.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Was that even a mystery? They established during the backstory that some humanoids simply weren't biologically compatible. And I thought they outright said it was a factor in Tellarite blood at one point.

Frankly, it's more realistic to me that not every race was biologically compatible. :p
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

The incompatibility with Tellarites being a matter of blood chemistry was suggested, but never followed up on. All it takes is a bit of throwaway dialogue, like the lines in The Man Trap and Obsession about how Spock survived being mauled by the Salt Vampire and the Vampire Cloud, respectively.

The greater concern was for the more general abruptness of the ending. There's a satisfying resolution. And there's a lack of resolution (think, the end of The Neutral Zone, or the end of Conspiracy). But here, we have a case where far too many things get resolved "offstage," and all we get is "They went away."
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Yeah I'd agree with that; when I hit the denouement I had to flip back to make sure I didn't miss a chapter or something. Overall I liked it, but the ending did kind of jump out of nowhere for me.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

As I was driving in to work this morning, I suddenly remembered another B5 parallel (besides the benign Vindrizi). One that wasn't the tiniest bit benign. Remember the "Keepers," from near the end of the series? And Londo voluntarily cultivating a full-blown active addiction to copious amounts of booze, in order to gain brief respites from his keeper's influence, because keepers can't hold their liquor the way Centauri can?
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Oh, and just how does one pronounce the name, "Rideout"? Depending on which letters (if any) are silent, it could come out so many different ways. (Pronunciation of the Thranx names in ADF's Humanx Commonwealth milieu is so much more obvious and unambiguous. Kind of weird when Human character names, names that are hardly unknown even today, are a bigger challenge to pronounce than non-Human character names.)

I assumed it was an English word? Ride-out, like out-rider reversed.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

How do they pronounce it? I don't see a pronunciation guide on that page or the couple of random pages I clicked on from there. Is it not just as you would pronounce the word "ride" followed by the word "out"?
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

I did a search, and it looks like, while Rideout is originally a French name that would be pronounced something like "ree-dough" (??), it's been an English name long enough that it usually gets pronounced like "ride out."
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Well, that was all a bit underwhelming. I don't know. Nothing felt very thrilling or exciting. Not horrible or anything. It just sort happened and that's it.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Well, that was all a bit underwhelming. I don't know. Nothing felt very thrilling or exciting. Not horrible or anything. It just sort happened and that's it.
Was it the "everything gets neatly resolved off-stage" ending I mentioned, that led you to that conclusion?
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Well, that was all a bit underwhelming. I don't know. Nothing felt very thrilling or exciting. Not horrible or anything. It just sort happened and that's it.
Was it the "everything gets neatly resolved off-stage" ending I mentioned, that led you to that conclusion?

It does. But there are chapters where we begin at a local, there is some dialogue, some things are discovered, end of chapter. No development of plot or character, no big turns or twists. Some explaining on why a certain character ended up on either the planet or ship. Not any kind of dramatic way, it's almost written as an encyclopedia entry.

All in all, it's not a bad book. It's entertaining, some witty dialogue. I still like the crew of the Endeavour. It just wasn't very exciting.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Hmm. Chapter-length info-dumps. I can see that. There's an admonition frequently heard in writing classes and writers' workshops:

Show, don't tell.

I believe I already mentioned an almost SW-esque tendency to jump around between multiple parallel plot threads, often in a way that had me struggling to remember who was where (and in some cases, who was who). Not that some of my favorite ST novels don't jump around a lot (cf How Much for Just the Planet), but at least there, the number of relatively unfamiliar characters was a bit more manageable.

And I mentioned that it started very slow. That's not to say that some of my favorite authors don't also have slow starts (ADF is rather famous for them, and I adore the overwhelming majority of his works), but I kind of found this to be a particularly slow starter. It would have been nice if the start could have been tightened up, and then the saved word-count (and page count) used to move a bit more of the resolution "on-stage."
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

Just posted my review. I can understand some of the complaints here, but I quite enjoyed this one. After a bit of a slow start, I really got into the story.
 
Re: SKRS #4: All That's Left by Ward & Dilmore Review Thread (Spoiler!

I did a search, and it looks like, while Rideout is originally a French name that would be pronounced something like "ree-dough" (??), it's been an English name long enough that it usually gets pronounced like "ride out."

Not "Rideau"?
 
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