Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[Gonzo]

To Kingdaniel and Sonicranger et al

You Are Correct!!!

I have been arguing the following points on a certain other Star Trek Movie Forum about the fact that the NuPrise does not work at 366m so it can't be that size when the tech manual is done. After reaching 100 pages in less than a week I gave up and carried on with life (I hear it is over 200 pages now).

As many peiople have heard the ship started at 366m or so but it became increasingly clear that the ship was too small to fit everything in that JJ wanted scene wise. So they doubled the size to make it more realistic and to give them space to play with.

This is a completely new reality and as such they can do what they like to the size of the ship. I do like the new spacedock by the way and the new much larger shuttles.

The size of the shuttlebay is clearly shown and can be easily scaled and as we all know if its on screen it IS canon. Many on the other forum felt that the NuPrise was too big but I disagree I have always thought that the TOS and MP versions were too small.

Added to that it is clearly indicated in the film (canon) that the kelvin held 800 crew which is twice the amount of the TOS and MP Enterprise. I personally love the new shuttlebay... a shuttlebay is supposed to be large and with enough shuttlecraft to evacuate the ship if need be (including evac pods of course).

By the looks of the footage we have seen the engineering deck is exactly that just engineering, stores and shuttlebay, and the crew is mainly bunked on the neck and saucer. It would also make the engineering section (not including nacelles) to be about as big as an aircraft carrier, which I think is just right.

At 700m long the ship would be longer than the Ent-D but not larger as the Ent-D is twice the width in most places. I was going to post this again on that other forum but I will just be wasting my time. They have been going round in circles for the last 2 months and there is no sign of them stopping.

Anyways its a new reality as time travel has completely changed things, maybe the borg incursion in First Contact and the fact that Archers Enterprise found the borg changed the timeline (bigger ships, Wpns, Crew complement etc) even before the Romulan ship went back in time. This would account for the Kelvin having twice the crew of the original reality. So many possibilities.

Gonzo

 

[MapleJack]

I keep thinking, since the Narada came for the 24th Century and is huge, the Enterprise-D of that time, in this new universe, will still be twice the length of the new Enterprise. Just as it was in the original continuity, Picard's ship is considerably larger then Kirk's.

Just imagine it.

 

[buzzknox]

I keep thinking, since the Narada came for the 24th Century and is huge, the Enterprise-D of that time, in this new universe, will still be twice the length of the new Enterprise. Just as it was in the original continuity, Picard's ship is considerably larger then Kirk's.

Just imagine it.

Maybe yes, maybe no. The mission requirements and technical capabilities will drive ship design and size. We "know" what caused the increased size of the Ent-D compared to the TOS Ent. We have no idea what will drive the design process in NuTrek. It'll be interesting speculating about it though.

 

[Anticitizen]

Speaking of the Narada, we've been so focused on the Starfleet ships that nobody's really spoken up about the feasability of a five/six mile long ship in the Trek universe. It makes the Fesarius and Borg ships tiny by comparison.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Speaking of the Narada, we've been so focused on the Starfleet ships that nobody's really spoken up about the feasability of a five/six mile long ship in the Trek universe. It makes the Fesarius and Borg ships tiny by comparison.

By length yes, but I think the Fesarius at least still beats it by volume.

 

[Mangledduk]

At this point, I feel like the only reason these threads keep going on is because both sides want to have the last word. Obviously this will never happen

About two weeks ago I came to this conclusion..."I don't care anymore" I believe what I believe, the ship changed scales throughout the film and as a result no side can really claim they are correct. IF you go by the definition of anything canon being what was SHOWN on screen, both sizes are correct. I'm going to wait until the next movie comes out, and hopefully the size will be consistent throughout the entire film Until then, I feel like these threads will continue with one side saying "I am right, because...." and the other side will say " I am right, because..." basically its a bunch of opinions that can not be proved at this time. Lets beat that dead horse til it dies again! YEEEEEHAAAWWW!!

 

[Richard Baker]

At this point, I feel like the only reason these threads keep going on is because both sides want to have the last word. Obviously this will never happen

!!

I think everyone is striving to be post #1701

 

[Chrisisall]

It will be me.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Two more posts and this thread will be bigger than the goddamned ship.

 

[Skywalker]

Two more posts and this thread will be bigger than the goddamned ship.

J.J. would just have ILM double the ship's size again.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I keep thinking, since the Narada came for the 24th Century and is huge, the Enterprise-D of that time, in this new universe, will still be twice the length of the new Enterprise. Just as it was in the original continuity, Picard's ship is considerably larger then Kirk's.

Just imagine it.

I don't think so. Actually, the new Enterprise being this huge fits better with the 24th century (IMO) since "bigger" does not always mean "more advanced." I believe that the size we got for the new ship should be considered "normal" size for a deep space exploration vessel, and is therefore in a similar size range to the Enterprise-D. Better continuity that way: by the time Picard takes the helm, ships named Enterprise have been about the same size for a hundred years, but what's UNDER THE HOOD is hella different.

 

[MapleJack]

I don't think so. Actually, the new Enterprise being this huge fits better with the 24th century (IMO) since "bigger" does not always mean "more advanced." I believe that the size we got for the new ship should be considered "normal" size for a deep space exploration vessel, and is therefore in a similar size range to the Enterprise-D. Better continuity that way: by the time Picard takes the helm, ships named Enterprise have been about the same size for a hundred years, but what's UNDER THE HOOD is hella different.

In don't agree as in that I'm one of those fans that see this as a new universe with new "rules" involved. Yes, bigger does not mean more advanced, but there can always be a reason. What we've gotten is what we had before, a ship built for deep space exploration. All I'm viewing it as, is that by the time Picard takes command of the Enterprise-D, it'll be relative in size to Kirk's in this new universe as it was in the original. The reasoning for the size increase would be much the same. Expanded abilities, greater comfort for the crew plus, considering the speed now shown, perhaps for more then just exploring this galaxy. I can't help but think it's some what fitting for a Galaxy Class starship be one designed and built for exploring other galaxies. Under the hood, would be something even greater then that which the Enterprise NCC-1701 has.

For the scaling, this new take shown in the film, make it easier for me to accept that they were heading out for five years at a time. That each crew member had a cabin that was like a small apartment, as it was in classic Trek. Also, that with all the comforts, it also had the space for spacious labs where elbows rarely met.

 

[Sector 7]

NuEnterprise FTW!

NuEnterprise FTW!

Faster Than Wally?

 

[Gepard]

^For The Win.

Now, the companion phrase For The Lose...that's confusing. There was a time when I never understood why a friend kept referencing superluminal velocities.

 

[JuanBolio]

A refresher for people with common sense: While it’s understandable that the ship was designed at 366 meters and scaled up, the fact is it was scaled up for a very good reason. A 366 meter Enterprise wouldn’t fit the shuttles or the brewery and thus is fundamentally broken, whether it looks nicer on a size-comparison chart or not.
Please respond by posting dozens more of those near-identical size comparison charts ;-)

Yet a 700+ meter ship is fundamentally broken as well, as it totally destroys all notion of starship design lineage and does not at all work next to the other ships of the fleet seen in the spacedock scene, which were clearly from the Kelvin-era before the new timeline was created. Are you suggesting that ships from a generation before TOS were typically the size of a Galaxy-class, and that in the prime universe the next generation of ships were scaled down dramatically for some mysterious reason, only to grow steadily larger over the next 100 years?

Come ON. With a 366-meter ship the shuttlebay and maybe the engine room don't fit within the ship. With a 700+ meter ship the ship itself doesn't fit within the universe. A starfleet ship that big during that era is pure fanwankery (a notion backed up by all the -ing going on in this thread) and reeks of starship penis envy - fanboys jealous that other series and films have far more massive hero ships than Star Trek.

 

[Creedence]

Yet a 700+ meter ship is fundamentally broken as well, as it totally destroys all notion of starship design lineage and does not at all work next to the other ships of the fleet seen in the spacedock scene, which were clearly from the Kelvin-era before the new timeline was created. Are you suggesting that ships from a generation before TOS were typically the size of a Galaxy-class, and that in the prime universe the next generation of ships were scaled down dramatically for some mysterious reason, only to grow steadily larger over the next 100 years?

Come ON. With a 366-meter ship the shuttlebay and maybe the engine room don't fit within the ship. With a 700+ meter ship the ship itself doesn't fit within the universe. A starfleet ship that big during that era is pure fanwankery (a notion backed up by all the -ing going on in this thread) and reeks of starship penis envy - fanboys jealous that other series and films have far more massive hero ships than Star Trek.

We're all (or nearly all) on board with this being an alternate (or completely different) existance. Why must it follow that Galaxy-class vessels of this reality by significantly larger than their Constitution-class predecessors? Big whoop.

Could someone please put this thread out of its misery?

 

[Gonzo]

For Those of you into Model Kits

Here is a link to the model.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/16/excl...odel-previews/

Note the size of the model....

1:2500 Scale

11.5" long

Which makes the ship approximately 2400 ft long.

Gonzo

 

[LisbonPlayer]

^As I’ve already stated some 10 pages ago, the scale is not present in the box.

From what was discussed in other forums, like the starship modelers forum, it’s probable that the first prototypes were designed as 1/1000 to fit alongside the others 1/1000 enterprises. Since ILM hit the “resize 200%” command, Round2 simply could not present it as 1/1000 but with the lack of a real and definitive size (~700m is as accurate as “real huge”) it cannot present other scale either.

But for those into model making this model will look very nice alongside the 1/1000 nx, original and the refit.

 

[Mangledduk]

^As I’ve already stated some 10 pages ago, the scale is not present in the box.

From what was discussed in other forums, like the starship modelers forum, it’s probable that the first prototypes were designed as 1/1000 to fit alongside the others 1/1000 enterprises. Since ILM hit the “resize 200%” command, Round2 simply could not present it as 1/1000 but with the lack of a real and definitive size (~700m is as accurate as “real huge”) it cannot present other scale either.

But for those into model making this model will look very nice alongside the 1/1000 nx, original and the refit.

Amen

 

[JuanBolio]

Yet a 700+ meter ship is fundamentally broken as well, as it totally destroys all notion of starship design lineage and does not at all work next to the other ships of the fleet seen in the spacedock scene, which were clearly from the Kelvin-era before the new timeline was created. Are you suggesting that ships from a generation before TOS were typically the size of a Galaxy-class, and that in the prime universe the next generation of ships were scaled down dramatically for some mysterious reason, only to grow steadily larger over the next 100 years?

Come ON. With a 366-meter ship the shuttlebay and maybe the engine room don't fit within the ship. With a 700+ meter ship the ship itself doesn't fit within the universe. A starfleet ship that big during that era is pure fanwankery (a notion backed up by all the -ing going on in this thread) and reeks of starship penis envy - fanboys jealous that other series and films have far more massive hero ships than Star Trek.

We're all (or nearly all) on board with this being an alternate (or completely different) existance. Why must it follow that Galaxy-class vessels of this reality by significantly larger than their Constitution-class predecessors? Big whoop.

Could someone please put this thread out of its misery?

It is an alternate reality that branched off the primary Star Trek universe. There is no logical excuse whatsoever for the size of 23rd century starship increasing by that kind of factor. It doesn't fit, doesn't make sense. 366 meters is perfectly fine. 700 throws everything else completely out of whack.