Ummm... Did you not see the Spacedock from ST:III? The "nuSpacedock" is small in comparison to the Spacedock as seen in ST:III/TNG.
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Ummm... Did you not see the Spacedock from ST:III? The "nuSpacedock" is small in comparison to the Spacedock as seen in ST:III/TNG.
I disagree -- the nuSpacedock has a diameter much larger than Spacedock, although it is possible the maximum dimension of each station is roughly similar.
Not with a 720 meter enterprise attached to the hull. At that scale each of the smaller disk modules attached to it would be almost the size of the shroomdock's big bay.
I doubt the thing we saw was an actual spacedock. It would probably more accurately be described as an orbital CITY. Maybe "Archer City" or "New Baikonur"
I doubt the thing we saw was an actual spacedock. It would probably more accurately be described as an orbital CITY. Maybe "Archer City" or "New Baikonur"
I meant EARTH ships! should have made myself clearer!HOLY CRAP!in comparison the NU-E if it is at the 700 m range is insanely HUGE! WERE talking BABYLON 5 & STAR WARS HUGE!
Ships have been that large in Trek for a long time -- like the first TOS production episode.
The Romulan warbird in TNG and DS9 is over 1300 m. The Dominion dreadnaught is about 1500 m. The big Kazon ship is about 1800 m. The Voth city ship is over 9000 m. Borg cubes are about 3000 m. The Varro cruiser was 19 km. There are more examples, but you get the point.
CANNON VIOLATION!
The phasers are coming from the torpedo bays!
oh wait... no there coming from the saucer were good!
CANNON VIOLATION!
Pathetic as it sounds, I *was* conscious of making sure the phasers came from the saucer.
I meant EARTH ships! should have made myself clearer!HOLY CRAP!
Ships have been that large in Trek for a long time -- like the first TOS production episode.
The Romulan warbird in TNG and DS9 is over 1300 m. The Dominion dreadnaught is about 1500 m. The big Kazon ship is about 1800 m. The Voth city ship is over 9000 m. Borg cubes are about 3000 m. The Varro cruiser was 19 km. There are more examples, but you get the point.
Well, considering there are no Earth ships in Star Wars...
HOLY CRAP!
You want insanely huge? I'll give you insanely huge. As in 200 million kilometers across huge.
(And if that thing can be in canon — and it is — it seems rather silly to me to try to invoke this or that law of physics against a mere 700 meter ship...)
I think I found more “proof” that the pretend spaceships are bigger now. Apologies if this has already been mentioned on the thousand-or-so previous pages.
Look at the Stardock 1 fleet scene – on the bottom-left disc at 2 o’clock (you all have the wallpaper, right?). There’s an old-scale ship amongst the new scaled-up fleet. It’s not one of the little support craft buzzing about, either – it’s clearly a saucer/nacelles starship arrangement (unlike the rather odd looking small ship docked at about 12 o clock on the disc to the right).
I don’t think its size relative to the new starships is an accident. The saucer’s size matches up too well with the endless comparison charts posted around here of a 718-ish meter Enterprise vs. the old 300 meter one.
I think they put it there to show us an old-sized starship with the new ones.
In fact, from that (blurry when zoomed-in) picture it might even be a refit connie, or (at a push) maybe an NX-class ship. Maybe. Whatever it is, the fact that it’s got the traditional saucer-nacelles shape but much smaller can’t be coincidence.
All that said I still think the Kelvin was huge too (I still think the saucer Enterprise clips in the debris field is a Kelvin-type), but I still don’t get why F’n Huge sized ships “aren’t allowed” until Next Generation (case in point: The moon-sized mushroom-shaped Spacedock from Star Trek III and TNG. If they can build that, big ships aren’t much of a problem!)
Look at the Stardock 1 fleet scene – on the bottom-left disc at 2 o’clock (you all have the wallpaper, right?). There’s an old-scale ship amongst the new scaled-up fleet. It’s not one of the little support craft buzzing about, either – it’s clearly a saucer/nacelles starship arrangement (unlike the rather odd looking small ship docked at about 12 o clock on the disc to the right).
I don’t think its size relative to the new starships is an accident. The saucer’s size matches up too well with the endless comparison charts posted around here of a 718-ish meter Enterprise vs. the old 300 meter one.
I think they put it there to show us an old-sized starship with the new ones.
In fact, from that (blurry when zoomed-in) picture it might even be a refit connie, or (at a push) maybe an NX-class ship. Maybe. Whatever it is, the fact that it’s got the traditional saucer-nacelles shape but much smaller can’t be coincidence.
All that said I still think the Kelvin was huge too (I still think the saucer Enterprise clips in the debris field is a Kelvin-type), but I still don’t get why F’n Huge sized ships “aren’t allowed” until Next Generation (case in point: The moon-sized mushroom-shaped Spacedock from Star Trek III and TNG. If they can build that, big ships aren’t much of a problem!)
Bigger ships wouldn't have fit through the doors of the Star Trek III spacedock. Only after they were upgraded between III and TNG are bigger ships allowed.
Bigger ships wouldn't have fit through the doors of the Star Trek III spacedock. Only after they were upgraded between III and TNG are bigger ships allowed.
That's why the big ships docked behind them.
My guess is, when they talk about the ship looking too small, it was probably too small in comparison to the Kelvin Kitbash fleet. At 1200 feet wouldn't the saucer be much smaller than the Kelvin's?
It didn't seem that big in the ground construction scene though. Speaking of which, the ship looked about 90% done in that shot, but three years later it was 'brand new'. I wonder how many decades it took to build the ship?
It didn't seem that big in the ground construction scene though. Speaking of which, the ship looked about 90% done in that shot, but three years later it was 'brand new'. I wonder how many decades it took to build the ship?
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- has anyone calculated whether the window onto the bridge (that we see in the upside-down tracking shot out from the bridge) tallies better with a 366 meter Enterprise than with a 725 meter Enterprise? Am very curious to see if the bridge window/viewscreen dictates a smaller size for the new ship ...
- has anyone calculated whether the window onto the bridge (that we see in the upside-down tracking shot out from the bridge) tallies better with a 366 meter Enterprise than with a 725 meter Enterprise? Am very curious to see if the bridge window/viewscreen dictates a smaller size for the new ship ...
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If you look at the box cover for the model...
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/merchandise/r2-st09-1.jpg
... you can see how the window was inset to adjust for the larger size.
I've been doing a little pondering and I may have found an error in ILM's reasoning for up-sizing the Enterprise, based off of the "troop carrier" sized shuttle(s).
They seemed to of only shown larger size shuttles in the hangar bay. There seems to be no reason that would be the only size shuttle assigned to the ship. Most likely there would be more of the smaller TOS-size shuttles that was seen in the background, along with a couple of the larger shuttles - All could have easily fit within the 1200ft scale ship.
Or they could have just gone with the magical Voyager style of hangar, that has an endless supply of shuttles...............
*If Haynes were to play it smart, they'd publish two Enterprise manuals, one 366m (1200ft), the second SuperSized......
They seemed to of only shown larger size shuttles in the hangar bay. There seems to be no reason that would be the only size shuttle assigned to the ship. Most likely there would be more of the smaller TOS-size shuttles that was seen in the background, along with a couple of the larger shuttles - All could have easily fit within the 1200ft scale ship.
Or they could have just gone with the magical Voyager style of hangar, that has an endless supply of shuttles...............
*If Haynes were to play it smart, they'd publish two Enterprise manuals, one 366m (1200ft), the second SuperSized......
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Did we see anything in this film to suggest that shuttles any smaller than that were in use during Kirk's time of service?
You know, looking at that bridge window from top-down that's close to a full deck from what I saw from the film.Hi, I'm new here and this is my first post - so please be gentle with me
If you look at the box cover for the model...
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/merchandise/r2-st09-1.jpg
... you can see how the window was inset to adjust for the larger size.
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