Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)
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It's better than "the ship's too big", "it's just right," "is not" "is so" until infinity or until the post count gets to 1701.
[shrugs] I thought that was old ground, but I'll bite anyway, 'cause I love this inconsistency (although I don't think it was ever pinned down to a year and a half before "Errand of Mercy").
Star Trek: Enterprise inhabits its own little timeline because of the interference of "Future Guy" and the fact that Cochrane saw the Enterprise-E and Lily Sloan spent a few hours crawling around inside the thing. The temporal contamination shown in First Contact must have had an impact on Cochrane, who no doubt steered Archer's dad towards whole new ideas in vessel design. He probably even suggested the name "Enterprise" as a good one for a ship.
So in the original timeline, Cochrane invents warp drive, encounters the Vulcans, moves to Alpha Centauri, then goes out to spend his last days in interstellar space, possibly without ever having met or worked with Archer's dad. Then the timeline contamination from First Contact comes along and we have a Cochrane who is fascinated by the glimpses he's seen of the future. He knows what a starship of two hundred years later is going to look like and he puzzles over why it looks like that. Maybe even Archer's dad does too, depending on how much Cochrane shared. That influence yields a design based on future concepts. Named after a ship from the future. And part of a program that might not have existed in the original timeline. Indeed, in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, we see an early starship named Enterprise that looked more like a Vulcan ring ship, but no mention of the NX-01. But after the contamination from First Contact, that display changes.
And probably a whole lot more.
A lot of folk complained the NX-01 was too big for its era. I disagree, but what if it was? What if a ship nearly the size of a Constitution Class a hundred years too early was the start of something. (Hang on, I'm in the process of bringing this comment back 'on topic'.) After the NX series was a success, Starfleet must have refined the concept. Succeeding ships must have been even bigger. A hundred years later, a ship the size of our beloved Connies would have been ... petite.
Star Trek (2009) with its ginormous 1701 takes place in this new Enterprise Timeline, probably branching off from it when Nero shows up. Ships the size of the Kelvin are now common place, and even bigger vessels are planned. This is why the 1701 wasn't built until much later; it takes much longer to plan and build behemoths that dwarf aircraft carriers.
Yes, it all holds together quite well! Quite well! Until one remembers the series finale of Star Trek: Enterprise. Suddenly this intricate and beautiful creation falls apart and we're left with an absurdly over-sized 1701.
So if you didn't like Star Trek (2009) it was Berman and Braga's fault!
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So if you didn't like Star Trek (2009) it was Berman and Braga's fault!
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You know its arguments like this that made Star Trek uncool. That and the uninspired stories from Voyager and Enterprise almost killed it off. We have a new version with folks who seem to know how to tell a fun interesting, if not totally consistent, story. Please lets not beat this to death just because it does not exactly fit the image you have in your head.
Now that I have issued the final word on the size subject (ship size that is) lets talk about the problem with the movie - those damn flipping phasers.
Now that I have issued the final word on the size subject (ship size that is) lets talk about the problem with the movie - those damn flipping phasers.
Uhura: "The ship's too big!
Spock: "It's just right."
Uhura: "Is not!"
Spock: "Is so."
Burn them, burn them alive!
(just like the good 'ol days)Do you recall in what part of the episode he said so?Absolutely.
Yeah, he was talking to Kirk.
Nope- Mccoy never said anything about Klingon FC in DotD:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/66.htm
Sure he did. It was discussed on a semi-weekly basis in the Enterprise forum, back in the day.
I finally have a working password and I want to say that Alan Dean Foster's novelization uses a 3000 foot length which is 900 some meters. Today, the largest ship is a supertanker no longer in service that is 1550 feet long. I have no problem with a supersized Enterprise and suggest that the windows are alot bigger than they seem and might be a couple standard decks high which should resolve the window scale problem...I hope.
It's not the size of the starship, but how it goes to warp.
Sounds like someone got stuck with an Oberth and is a little bitter about it.Only someone with a small...starship...would say that!?!
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