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Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

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Consider-the docking ports used on Apollo spacecraft are not the same as ones used on the ISS or space shuttle.

The docking hatch on the Shuttle & ISS will be the standard uniform design for years, and decades to come. The new Orion capsule, and lunar lander will have the same hatch as well.

Even the private sector spacecraft that are under developed are being required to use this design & configuration: Example

Once you have a good reliable design that is uniform, there's no logical reason to change it.

I think were getting OT here.IMO there's no reason why using an airlock reference would generate a more accurate size than what ILM has stated,since as mentioned above all they gotta say is that starfleet uses different airlocks and case closed.

These ships are designed by artists and filmakers,not engineers.As such no matter what Trek (or any sci fi,for that matter) ship is created there will always be inconsistencies if you look hard enough .Personally I think its sensible to have a nu-Enterprise that's 700 meters long.Multiple warp cores and a fleet of shuttles require space,and after all that 'timeline' has no connection or bearing to what the purists label as 'canon' regarding ship evolution.I understand that a ship that looks so much like the TOS vessel is hard to fathom at 700 meters when I grew up seeing diagrams of a dwarfed Kirk Enterprise next to the 624 meter (IIRC) Soverign,but if the guys that made the nuE say its 700 meters,its best to leave it at that.
 
I was just referring the comparison between the Kelvin and NuEnterprise docking ports diameter.
We don't even know for a fact that those ARE docking ports on the Kelvin. Judging by their position they could just as well be EVA airlocks.

On the other hand, we don't really know where or when Kelvin was built. It could have been a carryover from the Earth-Romulan war, in which case the Enterprise' docking collar is a new universal adaptor that can mate with space craft from any species, including older Starfleet and civilian ships.

I just can't see somewhere along the line someone says "Hey, lets take the 7ft docking ports and supersize it up to 14/15ft, just for grins & giggles"
Well, the docking port on the Apollo space craft is about three feet wide. The docking port on the Soyuz is about four and a half feet, and the port on the ISS has a five foot rectangular door with a seven foot aperture.

These things happen.
 
Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.
 
Once you have a good reliable design that is uniform, there's no logical reason to change it.

Well, unless someone comes up with a better one. I don't see Kelvin's docking ports being able to mate with, say, Vulcan or Andorian or Rigelian starships; they seem too specialized for that.

OTOH, a universal docking ring would require the ability to adapt to different shapes and sizes and form an airtight hard-dock seal with all of them. This is part of the reason why the ISS/Shuttle ports are designed the way they are, without a "docking probe" setup as in Apollo and Soyuz, which allows both the installation of an adaptor for older space craft and allows any two space craft with the same docking collar to make hard dock without one of them having to have a male/female connector.
 
Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.

I do admit, there is a little "fuck it all" devil on my shoulder saying this is the best way out. Just retcon the original upwards in size. But it would also cause everything else that ever appeared on screen with the Enterprise to get bumped up in size too, and that way lies madness.

Of course, if such a notion was ever published as the official explanation, Bernd over at Ex Astris would spontaneously combust.
 
Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.

I do admit, there is a little "fuck it all" devil on my shoulder saying this is the best way out. Just retcon the original upwards in size. But it would also cause everything else that ever appeared on screen with the Enterprise to get bumped up in size too, and that way lies madness.

Of course, if such a notion was ever published as the official explanation, Bernd over at Ex Astris would spontaneously combust.

Peter,

That's my feeling, too.

For 35 years, I've had a number stuck in my head- from non-canon sources that I've always just accepted implicitly.

There were few canon scale-qualifiers and they were largely contradictory to each other.

"24 four foot shuttlecraft" anyone? ;)

And you're right, Bernd would be running around with his hair on fire. :lol:
 
You know, I'm sure it's entirely coincidental at this point, but I notice that a 710 meter Enterprise would have an engineering section with dimensions VERY close that of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

Have we really given much thought to engineering/technical/logistical implications of building a space ship this size? I mean, honestly, even with 21st century technology we have the ability to build structures this large, it's just that we don't usually connect them or attach gigantic engines to them.

In point of fact, building a 710 meter Enterprise would be the equivalent of building four Nimitz class aircraft carriers and attaching them together with trusses. There's the engineering challenge of getting all four giant modules to stick together without flying apart, but that's a matter of engineering skill and material science, hardly insurmountable by 23rd century technology.
 
Once you have a good reliable design that is uniform, there's no logical reason to change it.

Well, unless someone comes up with a better one. I don't see Kelvin's docking ports being able to mate with, say, Vulcan or Andorian or Rigelian starships; they seem too specialized for that.

OTOH, a universal docking ring would require the ability to adapt to different shapes and sizes and form an airtight hard-dock seal with all of them. This is part of the reason why the ISS/Shuttle ports are designed the way they are, without a "docking probe" setup as in Apollo and Soyuz, which allows both the installation of an adaptor for older space craft and allows any two space craft with the same docking collar to make hard dock without one of them having to have a male/female connector.
As I mentioned earlier- the Enterprise NX-01 COULD dock (and did so) with Vulcan or Andorian starships- plus many craft from alien civilizations which they were encountering for the very first time.

The docking ports on the TMP Refit look like there were specialized to just Starfleet vessels- they were a shallow ring with notches. Unless they used technobabble force fields they were not very adaptive at all. The ones on DS-9 were adaptive with two scales and grabbers.
 
Canon TOS Enterprise size:

TOS3-entinc-scale1sm.jpg


TOS3-entinc-scale2sm.jpg


"SCALE IN FEET"

Trekcore or the TOR Blu-Ray will probably have that in better quality. That's "The Enterprise Incident"[TOS2].

Sorry, no TOS rescaling will be possible.
 
Canon TOS Enterprise size:

TOS3-entinc-scale1sm.jpg


TOS3-entinc-scale2sm.jpg


"SCALE IN FEET"

Trekcore or the TOR Blu-Ray will probably have that in better quality. That's "The Enterprise Incident"[TOS2].

Sorry, no TOS rescaling will be possible.

Well, since the secondary hull in those schematics looks nothing like the 'real' one... ;) how accurate can they be?
 
Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.

So that guy in the spacesuit buzzing around the Enterprise in TMP was thirty feet tall and three feet thick? :guffaw:
 
Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.

So that guy in the spacesuit buzzing around the Enterprise in TMP was thirty feet tall and three feet thick? :guffaw:

Yes! He was a member of the Titanian species. :p

Also, why the hell was the Federation measuring things in feet?
 
Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.

I do admit, there is a little "fuck it all" devil on my shoulder saying this is the best way out. Just retcon the original upwards in size. But it would also cause everything else that ever appeared on screen with the Enterprise to get bumped up in size too, and that way lies madness.

Of course, if such a notion was ever published as the official explanation, Bernd over at Ex Astris would spontaneously combust.

Peter,

That's my feeling, too.

For 35 years, I've had a number stuck in my head- from non-canon sources that I've always just accepted implicitly.

There were few canon scale-qualifiers and they were largely contradictory to each other.

"24 four foot shuttlecraft" anyone? ;)

And you're right, Bernd would be running around with his hair on fire. :lol:

Part of me really, really, wants to just say to hell with it and try upscaling the 1701, the refit (and related ships) and the Excelsior - especially since the Excelsior had a tendency to look a lot bigger next to the Enterprise-D than it "should" have if it were the 467 meter size, and it seemed to have a lot of, erm, "conflicting" ILM scale windows. :)

Also, the Stargazer looked hellabig next to the D, at least bigger than it should have, and it used refit components.

Eek! They've been laying the seeds for this for years! :eek: :scream: ;)

Here is the simple answer.

There is no canon support for the TOS Enterprise being 947 feet, however much M. Jefferies intended it to be.

The canon support for the NuEnterprise being much, much larger than 947 feet is depicted in the shuttle fly-by of the saucer section and the number of shuttles in the bay, weighed against the apparent size of the shuttle's as depicted at the Academy.

Case closed.

So that guy in the spacesuit buzzing around the Enterprise in TMP was thirty feet tall and three feet thick? :guffaw:

Yes! He was a member of the Titanian species. :p

Also, why the hell was the Federation measuring things in feet?

TMP and TFF are really the two cases where the scale is made relatively clear by size of vehicles in relation to the size of the shuttle/cargo bays. Of course, one might squint and pretend those are tricks of perspective, while also ignoring that one barely-visible "scale in feet." Indeed, that graphic makes me find my little feet/meters conspiracy theory all the more viable...

You know, I'm sure it's entirely coincidental at this point, but I notice that a 710 meter Enterprise would have an engineering section with dimensions VERY close that of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

Have we really given much thought to engineering/technical/logistical implications of building a space ship this size? I mean, honestly, even with 21st century technology we have the ability to build structures this large, it's just that we don't usually connect them or attach gigantic engines to them.

In point of fact, building a 710 meter Enterprise would be the equivalent of building four Nimitz class aircraft carriers and attaching them together with trusses. There's the engineering challenge of getting all four giant modules to stick together without flying apart, but that's a matter of engineering skill and material science, hardly insurmountable by 23rd century technology.

You know, the more one thinks about it, the more plausible yet impressive a 700 meter Enterprise seems. The notion of four aircraft carriers strapped together compared to TOS's ship the size of one is more impressive, even if I still feel like it's overkill.
 
If we can believe this new ship is really 3000 feet long, than we can believe the original was too, since there is no real apparent difference in size between the two.

Personally I don't think they know what size the ship is. The ILM guys are probably going back and looking at the models & effects shots right now to find out.

Because of its bulkiness, the new ship actually looks smaller, except in shots where there is some reference - like the shuttles - to indicate otherwise.
 
Of course! Space feet! It all makes sense now! It was 947 space feet long.

(So space feet = meters, right? :))
 
I was ready to go with the 610 meter figure, but I'm happy with the front runner, at 718! Going once, going twice??

RAMA
 
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