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Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

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I don't. But it doesn't upset me either.

BTW, that makes the saucer four or five decks high at the rim, which is what some folks guessed based on the images in the first teaser trailer.

Saucer is about three hundred feet tall.
 
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Wouldn't such a scale make the airlocks on the neck horrifically over-sized?
 
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He's right about the looks of the ship and scaling cues, though. The short answer, if the ship is actually the size being claimed, is that the detailers were more interested in it looking like the earlier versions than they were in whether the detailing made sense.
 
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He's right about the looks of the ship and scaling cues, though. The short answer, if the ship is actually the size being claimed, is that the detailers were more interested in it looking like the earlier versions than they were in whether the detailing made sense.

I agree.

But I don't get his conclusion that those 800 people on board of the Kelvin were all crew.
 
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Though I enjoy his site, he's having trouble with almost anything. He even has trouble with the fact the Enterprise was built in Iowa.

I don't want to look closely. The ship would have to be nearly identical to the TOS Enterprise for me to be acceptable.
What a sad, angry little man.
 
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Wouldn't such a scale make the airlocks on the neck horrifically over-sized?

If you take the relative size of the neck docking port, with the size of the escape pod. The ship appears to the close in size to the original & refit.

Though I think there is a size conflicts in the movie in relation to the docking port.
1. With how close the shuttle carrying Kirk & McCoy seems to fly near the saucer/bridge.
2. The new location & large window for the bridge. (which on the refit, that location was a 18-24" tall light strip)

The two above seem to make the ship much larger.

*If Paramount were smart, they'd be releasing official materials for sale to cash in, and settle this discussion.
 
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Here are two photos (one being a screencap) that will help in this discussion...Note the arrows pointing to people actually walking on the hull of the ship, and then compare it to the diagram I have included. There is NO way that this ship is 3000 feet long.

Ship being built in drydock...note the figures standing above the deflector and also on the scaffolding underneath the saucer
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Now look at this diagram that I pulled off the Ex Astris website...note the size of the people in the diagram and also look at how many shuttles are in the shuttle bay..
proof2.jpg
 
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Now ILM is saying that it's 2000 feet (610 meters):

From Film & Video Magazine:

Modelers and view painters (texture painters) at ILM built a larger, more streamlined Enterprise, the Romulan Narada, the drilling platform, and other ships and objects for the film, using Autodesk’s Maya, ILM’s Zeno, and Adobe’s Photoshop.

Although it stayed true to form, the Enterprise grew from 1300 feet to 2000 feet in length for this film. Its “neck” is thinner and more graceful, and it has more visible moving parts. The team worked from concept art created by Ryan Church and leaned on the experience of such crewmembers as Alex Jaeger, who was the visual effects art director at ILM for Star Trek: First Contact in 1996, and John Goodson, who was the model project supervisor for that film.

“The Enterprise is an icon,” says Bruce Holcomb, model supervisor. “We didn’t redesign it. We brought it into the future in a sophisticated way. One of our big tasks was to make people go into the film and believe they’re looking at a practical model. That’s the hardest thing to achieve.”

The Enterprise is always CG when seen from the outside, as are the other space vehicles, all of which ILM created. For the Narada, the studio consulted reference materials from production designer Scott Chambliss, who called for a mysterious, asymmetrical vessel. “The reference materials were all over the place,” Holcomb says, “from architecture to a photo of tangled hair. So there was a lot of back and forth.”

For Holcomb, the scale of the work was most challenging. “The Narada was six miles long and the Enterprise is 2000 feet. When they fly into camera, we always had to do something to make them look that big in CG.” For example, Holcomb estimates that modelers and painters altered the Narada on a shot by shot basis 70 percent of the time. “J. J. let us explore the dark aspect of it,” Holcomb says. “We dreamed up solutions and built and painted it accordingly.”
 
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LOL...I think basically there are a bunch of sources that are all crazy numbers. Nothing matches up. In that article it says that the size of the Enterprise went up from 1300 to 2000 feet....well, okay, its not as freakishly big, but according to this, that would mean the original Enterprise was 396 meters???!! I thought it was like 289m..or if we go by the movie version, 305meters...OK

I suppose its possible that the Enterprise could be 609 meters, but it is simply a lot longer because of the oversized nacelles. I dont think the primary and secondary hulls are all that bigger than the original show and movie versions. Thats just my humble opinion though:)
 
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2,000 feet seems more reasonable to me. As for the docking ports, I like that they must be larger--the docking ports on the Enterprise-prime always struck me as being a bit undersized. The size that they must be now seems more practical (esp. for cargo loading/unloading).
 
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TPTB should deliberately leave it vague or give out conflicting information every time someone asks. People seem to enjoy debating over this stuff anyway, so why spoil the fun.

Personally, I think the ship is 2.5 centimeters long - 23rd century people are just very very very very tiny. :)

Of course, the whole thing with the ship being constructed in Iowa was done with mirrors to make it look more impressive. :shifty:
 
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You know I found the ship a bit larger as well? But I thought the design was spectacular in general!! :) Great for an a/u Enterprise.
 
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The 2000ft number seems reasonable, and if it is from the people that built it (ILM) then that figure is as canon as it gets.
 
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Any number is reasonable we've seen ships much larger than 2500 feet, and this IS a different timeline...as for the Enterprise...she's big!
 
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