Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[jstimson]

There is a Type D of which I am part.

I do care what size the ship is. I may not like the huge increase, but I'll live with it if they can keep it consistent. Just wish that when they decided to scale it up, that they would have changed the external detailing to indicate it.

If it's close to the TOS size, the external details support it. If not, it needs finer details and more deck indications, smaller windows, smaller air locks, etc.

That's my only real complaint. I can live with the rationalization that Starfleet needed to beef up their fleet. Just show me a detailed ship that supports that size.

 

[SalvorHardin]

now that the planet killer is one and a half million miles long!

I would estimate under 10 miles myself.

So I guess in the JJverse the Borg cube will be the size of the Death Star?

How about if it is the same size as always. Like when it encountered and dwarfed other Enterprises.
The almost 700 meters long Enterprise E or the 640 meter D

 

[dougkeenan]

Type E people like all ships called "Enterprise."

 

[Neumann]

Type E people like all ships called "Enterprise."

Not only ships, there are the guys who for some odd reason are obsessed on buying things which have the "enterprise" tag on and make false claims that is Trek related, specially with expensive software packages.

 

[Creedence]

914m (2998+ ft)is over half a mile so this New Enterprise is bigger than an modern day Aircraft carrier?

This is a problem for you? The modern supertanker Knock Nevis is 456m long. That's also longer than a modern aircraft carrier such as the U.S.S. Enterprise. In fact, Wikipedia lists 60 ships that are longer than the 300m uper limit touted by some in this thread.

Why is it impossible that an imagined starship is an imagined 700m long? Perhaps it needs to be that big to achieve the new imagined speeds of new imagined sub-space.

I don't know if anyone has spoke about it before, but it seemed to me that Pike and crew made the trip from Earth to Vulcan in a very short time. The distress call received on Earth said Vulcan was experiecning seismic activity - effects of Narada's drilling. When Enterprise arrived in orbit, Narada was still drilling. Considering how quickly the process was moving along when Nero starting to kill Earth, I estimate the flight to Vulcan took about one hour, or two hours are most.

Are we going to get bent over this because Scotty told Spock in TMP he could have him back on Vulcan in four days or some such? My gawd! Warp speeds are absolute! They're destroying canon! My friends are weird and I don't laid enough! There are olives on my pizza! The whole damned world is falling to pieces. Oh, the humanity!

 

[Sabataage]

For as long as this thread is (its like a Russian novel, at this point) I'm sure this has been brought up before. I think its clear the reason they increased the overall size of the ship was for a practical design reason: they decreased the size of the lower portion (deflector disk and shuttle bay).
They wanted it sleeker --"more aerodynamic looking" so they gave the Enterprise a lyposuction. As a result if the ship overall was th same size as before the new hanger bay wouldn't have been nearly big enough for the four shuttlecraft from the TV show let alone the twenty or so they have in there for the purposes of the movie.

Keep in mind too, that unlike all of its predecessors, this Enterprise (the one in the latest movie) never started its life on a TV show's budget. It was made in a $100 million-plus Hollywood movie universe and will live and thrive off of that enormous budget.

One could argue that the original size of the ship was only that big because Roddenberry could never afford a factory (aka brewery) sized-set to play around in on a week to week basis. I'm positive if there's ever a new series spun-off from the latest movie the main ship will be much smaller in proportion to the Nu-Enterprise with characters referring to as a being relatively tiny in comparison to the rest of the fleet. This will be done as much for economic purposes as storytelling.

P.S. I read this thread for the visual aids.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

For all people who say the new Enterprise was supposed to be ~300m, then scaled up but still adhere to the old "supposed" length:

The Enterprise-A was apparently, at one time in the production, supposed to have a large big window on the side wall of the cargo bay:


Since the large "arboretum" windows are too far forward, we have to assume the little portholes are actually supposed to be 4 decks high instead of a quarter. As such, the Enterprise-A was actually a whopping ~5000m long! They just scaled it down afterwards, but since the original size holds, it's huge!

 

[Peter the Younger]

For all people who say the new Enterprise was supposed to be ~300m, then scaled up but still adhere to the old "supposed" length:

The Enterprise-A was apparently, at one time in the production, supposed to have a large big window on the side wall of the cargo bay:


Since the large "arboretum" windows are too far forward, we have to assume the little portholes are actually supposed to be 4 decks high instead of a quarter. As such, the Enterprise-A was actually a whopping ~5000m long! They just scaled it down afterwards, but since the original size holds, it's huge!

And not jus tthat shot, either - if TMP is to be believed, the whole damn secondary hull is nothing but cargo bay.

Truly, you deserved the #1701 post.

Also, I'd like to talk to the engineer who thought it was a good idea to put a huge window in a cargo bay. Even if it is transparent aluminum.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Truly, you deserved the #1701 post.

Thank you, my dear sir, you are truly too kind.

 

[LisbonPlayer]

For all people who say the new Enterprise was supposed to be ~300m, then scaled up but still adhere to the old "supposed" length:

The Enterprise-A was apparently, at one time in the production, supposed to have a large big window on the side wall of the cargo bay:


Since the large "arboretum" windows are too far forward, we have to assume the little portholes are actually supposed to be 4 decks high instead of a quarter. As such, the Enterprise-A was actually a whopping ~5000m long! They just scaled it down afterwards, but since the original size holds, it's huge!

You’re cheating…
This is what Andy Probert wrote about that image:

As I began my talks about this, with newly appointed Effects Supervisor, Douglas Trumbull, things went terribly wrong when a consulting illustrator produced this verry scarry version featuring a space that was now over 50 feet high with a HUGE WINDOW ( ? ) on one side of a straight-sided hull, uuuuuugh.

But that Andrew Probert site really shows how to clearly design a starship, making everything consistent inside and outside. Amazing how a 300m ship still has such large cargo bay and a multi-level hangar.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Since we are arguing the size of the new Enterprise, I have a few questions.

First, did anyone notice the giant damaged saucer section floating behind the Enterprise at Vulcan? I'm really wondering if someday there will be more information on this ship and others that were at the space station at Earth.

Second, if there is a remake of the Doomsday Machine, how will the Constellation fit inside the Doomsday Machine if it's the same class as the Enterprise?

And finally, does this thread lock up at 1,701?

The giant sauce has come up every so often and IIRC most feel it was a Vulcan oribital station of some kind.
I am going to have to wait for the DVD to see it better, but it was very large compared to the very large NuE.

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Scroll back two or three pages where I posted a wide view shot of that same saucer. It's the same size as the Enterprise's saucer.

 

[timelord1010]

Since we are arguing the size of the new Enterprise, I have a few questions.

First, did anyone notice the giant damaged saucer section floating behind the Enterprise at Vulcan? I'm really wondering if someday there will be more information on this ship and others that were at the space station at Earth.

Second, if there is a remake of the Doomsday Machine, how will the Constellation fit inside the Doomsday Machine if it's the same class as the Enterprise?

And finally, does this thread lock up at 1,701?

The giant sauce has come up every so often and IIRC most feel it was a Vulcan oribital station of some kind.
I am going to have to wait for the DVD to see it better, but it was very large compared to the very large NuE.

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Scroll back two or three pages where I posted a wide view shot of that same saucer. It's the same size as the Enterprise's saucer.

I went back 12 pages and didn't see a image posted by you in this thread. We are talking about the image that was in the movie of the Enterprise moving in front of a giant saucer looking object, not the artist rendering. I've seen the picture on another site a few months ago, I'll try to find it and set up a link.

 

[M'Sharak]

^ This image?

 

[Creedence]

^ This image?

That certainly looks like the saucer of a Federation starship. It makes Enterprise look tiny - OR - ships in this continuum are just bigger!

My vote is for the latter.

 

[SalvorHardin]

^ This image?

That certainly looks like the saucer of a Federation starship. It makes Enterprise look tiny - OR - ships in this continuum are just bigger!

My vote is for the latter.

If you look closely you can see letters. It's the Farragut

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The giant sauce has come up every so often and IIRC most feel it was a Vulcan oribital station of some kind.
I am going to have to wait for the DVD to see it better, but it was very large compared to the very large NuE.

.

Scroll back two or three pages where I posted a wide view shot of that same saucer. It's the same size as the Enterprise's saucer.

I went back 12 pages and didn't see a image posted by you in this thread. We are talking about the image that was in the movie of the Enterprise moving in front of a giant saucer looking object, not the artist rendering. I've seen the picture on another site a few months ago, I'll try to find it and set up a link.

In that case, try this one:

The saucer isn't that big. You're just looking at it with the Enterprise tilted on its side and thinking "wow, look how much wider it is!"

 

[miraclefan]

For all people who say the new Enterprise was supposed to be ~300m, then scaled up but still adhere to the old "supposed" length:

The Enterprise-A was apparently, at one time in the production, supposed to have a large big window on the side wall of the cargo bay:


Since the large "arboretum" windows are too far forward, we have to assume the little portholes are actually supposed to be 4 decks high instead of a quarter. As such, the Enterprise-A was actually a whopping ~5000m long! They just scaled it down afterwards, but since the original size holds, it's huge!

You’re cheating…
This is what Andy Probert wrote about that image:

As I began my talks about this, with newly appointed Effects Supervisor, Douglas Trumbull, things went terribly wrong when a consulting illustrator produced this verry scarry version featuring a space that was now over 50 feet high with a HUGE WINDOW ( ? ) on one side of a straight-sided hull, uuuuuugh.

But that Andrew Probert site really shows how to clearly design a starship, making everything consistent inside and outside. Amazing how a 300m ship still has such large cargo bay and a multi-level hangar.

^JJ & his ILM buddies could learn a thing or two from Probert.

 

[M'Sharak]

^ This image?

That certainly looks like the saucer of a Federation starship. It makes Enterprise look tiny - OR - ships in this continuum are just bigger!

My vote is for the latter.

If you look closely you can see letters. It's the Farragut

You can also make out a chunk of the Mayflower in that shot, but it appears that's not the pic newtype_alpha meant. The one he's just posted, I'm not sure I recall having seen before.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Apparently I posted it but it didn't go through for some reason so I re-uploaded it to imageshack.

 

[Gil T.Azell]

914m (2998+ ft)is over half a mile so this New Enterprise is bigger than an modern day Aircraft carrier?

This is a problem for you? The modern supertanker Knock Nevis is 456m long. That's also longer than a modern aircraft carrier such as the U.S.S. Enterprise. In fact, Wikipedia lists 60 ships that are longer than the 300m uper limit touted by some in this thread.

Why is it impossible that an imagined starship is an imagined 700m long? Perhaps it needs to be that big to achieve the new imagined speeds of new imagined sub-space.

I don't know if anyone has spoke about it before, but it seemed to me that Pike and crew made the trip from Earth to Vulcan in a very short time. The distress call received on Earth said Vulcan was experiecning seismic activity - effects of Narada's drilling. When Enterprise arrived in orbit, Narada was still drilling. Considering how quickly the process was moving along when Nero starting to kill Earth, I estimate the flight to Vulcan took about one hour, or two hours are most.

Are we going to get bent over this because Scotty told Spock in TMP he could have him back on Vulcan in four days or some such? My gawd! Warp speeds are absolute! They're destroying canon! My friends are weird and I don't laid enough! There are olives on my pizza! The whole damned world is falling to pieces. Oh, the humanity!

I don't have a problem at all, just asking.