Simple Question: Do You Like The Reboots?

[fireproof78]

Tell me more!

Oh for the love of everything please no, he's written novels of drivel on the subject already, please don't make us sit through it all again. He hates it, we get it.

A question was asked. I assumed it was open to honest opinions. I now have it reaffirmed that some only want to hear an assenting response.

Apparently hearing something otherwise offends certain parties' tender sensibilities.

You have an opinion differing from mine? I am offended! *big booming voice at the end, from dramatic effect*

In all seriousness, I have tried to understand the negative view towards the Abrams film, and have only had some success. I understand that they are not for everyone, but I don't always understand the reasons.

So, let be at least one to say I don't mind dissenting opinions.

 

[marlboro]

No. I've only watched the first one. It seemed like a typical Hollywood summer blockbuster to me. Good looking cast, lots of action, lots of special effects, but without a very engaging story.

 

[Kemaiku]

Different opinions are one thing, they come up in the Trek XI/XII forum everyday.

6 solid years of angry ranting at the mention of the films, does however get much more tedious.

 

[Warped9]

Different opinions are one thing, they come up in the Trek XI/XII forum everyday.

6 solid years of angry ranting at the mention of the films, does however get much more tedious.

6 solid years of hearing steaming crap praised. It gets tiresome.

 

[fireproof78]

Then it becomes a matter of perspective, especially with regards to art. One person's steaming crap is another person's entertainment.

Having engaged with both fans of only Prime Trek (for want of a better term) and fans of Abrams Trek, I can only and try to respect the opinions. I simply don't see Abrams Trek as crap. It isn't the best Trek ever, but certainly, certainly, far from the worst.

So, tl:dr: YMMV

 

[BillJ]

Different opinions are one thing, they come up in the Trek XI/XII forum everyday.

6 solid years of angry ranting at the mention of the films, does however get much more tedious.

6 solid years of hearing steaming crap praised. It gets tiresome.

Does it really bother you that other folks like and talk about the Abrams films? I think that's truly silly. Might be time to accept that Star Trek fandom is bigger than TOS and sometimes conversations will talk about the two at the same time.

 

[Kemaiku]

Different opinions are one thing, they come up in the Trek XI/XII forum everyday.

6 solid years of angry ranting at the mention of the films, does however get much more tedious.

6 solid years of hearing steaming crap praised. It gets tiresome.

Does it really bother you that other folks like and talk about the Abrams films? I think that's truly silly. Might be time to accept that Star Trek fandom is bigger than TOS and sometimes conversations will talk about the two at the same time.

Yeah, leading out with "steaming crap" is basically his MO here every time.

Never mind that it's entirely false given the popularity of the films with both fans and non-fans, the best selling films of the franchise, but the demeaning nature of trying to hurt those who do like them, trash the hard work of everyone who made the films too?

It's trolling, insulting, and childish. Someone made a successful remake of something from 40+ years ago and because of a difference of tastes, he cannot even bring himself to admit it and move on, making these brattish remarks for several long years, knowing it will irritate people and doing it largely because of it.

Be spiteful, be petty, but be honest about it W'9.

 

[IrishNero]

Please forgive me as I don't know the major players on this forum. I have only been here a few days and was previously largely unaware of such ire toward Abrams Trek. Perhaps that's why seeing these differing opinions doesn't bother me. In fact, it's actually interesting to see. Time will tell if that will remain that way if I've been arguing the same points with the same people for six years.

I grew up with the original series. In fact, I was born the year it went on the air. I built models of the Enterprise and dreamed of piloting a shuttle into the landing bay. I loved TNG too. I watched episodes of it in the desert during my time in the desert in 1990-1991. I enjoyed all of the follow-on shows and watched all of the movies too.

When I first heard they were making Trek with the original crew, I too cringed. But I begrudgingly admit that they were good movies. Not the best, but very solid. The effects were amazing and some of the casting, such as Carl Urban and Zack Quinto was spot-on. It was enough to convince me that they hadn't totally fumbled the ball. And it brought Trek to a new generation.

And let's face it, Trek had been off the air for four years. It wasn't going anywhere anytime soon without these new movies. And even though these movies were big hits, six years later, there is still no new series on the horizon. Eventually, perhaps ST would have faded into oblivion, with us fans debating about the best of ST on various forums until we're all in the ground...

Perhaps I'm more forgiving but I think these movies carried the franchise flag well. These aren't the best movies but they're not the worst either. However, I don't think that many of these complaints are based upon the merits of the movies so much as the concept that no one could ever replace Shatner and Nimoy. I think there is almost a god-like quality they have been bestowed over the decades, and I think there is a certain segment that would absolutely never accept that someone else could portray Kirk and Spock other than them. Then there are the other differences such as the redesigned nacelles and such. These things don't bode well for someone who has been watching ST all of their life and already has an ingrained concept of how ST should look like. I get that.

But I think you have to keep an open mind.

In any case, I will close by saying that these new movies are in the books and there is nothing we can do about it but accept it. As my supervisor in the military used to tell us when we had to do something we didn't want to accept: It is what it is...

 

[1001001]

6 solid years of hearing steaming crap praised. It gets tiresome.

Does it really bother you that other folks like and talk about the Abrams films? I think that's truly silly. Might be time to accept that Star Trek fandom is bigger than TOS and sometimes conversations will talk about the two at the same time.

Yeah, leading out with "steaming crap" is basically his MO here every time.

Never mind that it's entirely false given the popularity of the films with both fans and non-fans, the best selling films of the franchise, but the demeaning nature of trying to hurt those who do like them, trash the hard work of everyone who made the films too?

It's trolling, insulting, and childish. Someone made a successful remake of something from 40+ years ago and because of a difference of tastes, he cannot even bring himself to admit it and move on, making these brattish remarks for several long years, knowing it will irritate people and doing it largely because of it.

Be spiteful, be petty, but be honest about it W'9.

Folks, let's leave the personal commentary out of it, please.

Thanks.

 

[fireproof78]

Please forgive me as I don't know the major players on this forum. I have only been here a few days and was previously largely unaware of such ire toward Abrams Trek. Perhaps that's why seeing these differing opinions doesn't bother me. In fact, it's actually interesting to see. Time will tell if that will remain that way if I've been arguing the same points with the same people for six years.

I grew up with the original series. In fact, I was born the year it went on the air. I built models of the Enterprise and dreamed of piloting a shuttle into the landing bay. I loved TNG too. I watched episodes of it in the desert during my time in the desert in 1990-1991. I enjoyed all of the follow-on shows and watched all of the movies too.

When I first heard they were making Trek with the original crew, I too cringed. But I begrudgingly admit that they were good movies. Not the best, but very solid. The effects were amazing and some of the casting, such as Carl Urban and Zack Quinto was spot-on. It was enough to convince me that they hadn't totally fumbled the ball. And it brought Trek to a new generation.

And let's face it, Trek had been off the air for four years. It wasn't going anywhere anytime soon without these new movies. And even though these movies were big hits, six years later, there is still no new series on the horizon. Eventually, perhaps ST would have faded into oblivion, with us fans debating about the best of ST on various forums until we're all in the ground...

Perhaps I'm more forgiving but I think these movies carried the franchise flag well. These aren't the best movies but they're not the worst either. However, I don't think that many of these complaints are based upon the merits of the movies so much as the concept that no one could ever replace Shatner and Nimoy. I think there is almost a god-like quality they have been bestowed over the decades, and I think there is a certain segment that would absolutely never accept that someone else could portray Kirk and Spock other than them. Then there are the other differences such as the redesigned nacelles and such. These things don't bode well for someone who has been watching ST all of their life and already has an ingrained concept of how ST should look like. I get that.

But I think you have to keep an open mind.

In any case, I will close by saying that these new movies are in the books and there is nothing we can do about it but accept it. As my supervisor in the military used to tell us when we had to do something we didn't want to accept: It is what it is...

Well said.

I certainly won't begrudge anyone their opinion with regards to the new films, and respect the range of opinions that get expressed. The frustration that I feel is at the hostility that gets wrapped up in expressing a dissenting opinion.

I guess it comes back to the whole "true Trek" debate that bothers me so much. Why is Abrams Trek not Trek? It isn't that it is bad Trek or just ok Trek. The extremist opinion that I find frustrating is that Abrams Trek must be removed and stricken from the record without discussion.

I wasn't around for the 09 release, so I know I missed out on a lot of the fun there. But, are the movies so offensive that they can't be called Star Trek?

On the other side, the new movies are fun, but I don't think they are the best ever. TOS and TNG were both unique creations of their time, and can't really be replicated. So, to that point, they are timeless in my enjoyment of them. I don't look at Abrams Trek as superior to them or better than the rest of Trek. My favorite film is TUC, for a variety of reasons, nostalgia among them. I don't think TWOK is the greatest film ever, but I don't fault anyone for thinking that it is. I just can't get past some elements of it.

All that to say, it's not a competition. It is just a matter of taste, but I think there is a place at the table for all of it.

tl:dr-can't we all just get along?

 

[Dexter Remmick]

I like them for the sheer fact that it's new Trek. I, long ago, set aside my disdain for action film Trek. It's one side of the coin. I would much rather have it back on television, but that doesn't seem to be in any plans.

 

[Warped9]

be honest about it W'9.

If anyone around here needs to grow up it's some on this board along with a large swath of the population at large these days.

I have been honest: I think Abrams is a hack and his Trek films are shit. You don't get more fucking honest then that.

But there are some who can't take that. They can't take someone strongly disagreeing with their consensus opinion.

Too bad. If you're offended that's also too bad. There is no such thing as the right not to be offended. And my own ears bleed hearing this crap praised all the time. And note that when I have mentioned the subject I talked about the films. I said nothing about anyone who might like the films.

And for those who like to cry that "He does this all the time." you either can't help but exaggerrate or simply prefer to lie. Because the mods can attest that I certainly do not "do it all the time."

I don't go into the nuTrek forum and I don't jump on every mention. I rarely go into other forums beyond TOS and Arts and Fan Productions. It doesn't happen. And if someone says it does then they're either confused or lying.


The OP asked a question. I answered it. You could have overlooed it if you were offended, but you didn't. That's not my problem. It's yours.

I hear crap I disagree with or resent all the time and ninety-nine percent of the time I let it slide.

Maybe some around here could learn to do the same.

 

[Orphalesion]

Never mind that it's entirely false given the popularity of the films with both fans and non-fans

Regardless of everything else, I don't quite understand how an opinion on the quality of a movie can be "entirely false".
If someone said "they did not put effort into this movie" that could be called wrong, because the special effects and overall design at the very least show a great deal of effort.

However if somebody says "this movie is a reeking pile of shit in my eyes" then you can't call that opinion "entirely false", because it's their opinion and a matter of taste.

It's like saying "it's entirely false to like the colour orange, because statistics show that the colour blue is more popular!"

Likewise I can relate about being unhappy about the general direction a franchise you are invested in is taking or being unhappy about an adaption. I myself are unhappy about the reboot.
However I don't understand why someone would be bothered by other people enjoying them. It's not like the Abrams-fans go into all the other forums just to write how "superior" the new movies are.

How was that with IDIC?

 

[Squiggy]

be honest about it W'9.

If anyone around here needs to grow up it's some on this board along with a large swath of the population at large these days.

I have been honest: I think Abrams is a hack and his Trek films are shit. You don't get more fucking honest then that.

Way to fight the system.

But there are some who can't take that. They can't take someone strongly disagreeing with their consensus opinion.

It's not that we can't take it. We're just tired of it. You're repeating yourself, to the same people, over and over.

Too bad. If you're offended that's also too bad. There is no such thing as the right not to be offended. And my own ears bleed hearing this crap praised all the time. And note that when I have mentioned the subject I talked about the films. I said nothing about anyone who might like the films.

You're elevating yourself here. This isn't a "cause". It's a movie. We like it. You don't. No matter how many times we say why we like it, we won't change your mind. No matter how many times you come in here and hate on our happy, it won't change our mind.

And for those who like to cry that "He does this all the time." you either can't help but exaggerrate or simply prefer to lie. Because the mods can attest that I certainly do not "do it all the time."

In here, yes...you do it all the time. What you do in other locations is irrelevant.

I don't go into the nuTrek forum and I don't jump on every mention. I rarely go into other forums beyond TOS and Arts and Fan Productions. It doesn't happen. And if someone says it does then they're either confused or lying.

You've posted over 200 times in here. You've started a couple of threads as well.

The OP asked a question. I answered it. You could have overlooed it if you were offended, but you didn't. That's not my problem. It's yours.

I hear crap I disagree with or resent all the time and ninety-nine percent of the time I let it slide.

Maybe some around here could learn to do the same.

Get off the cross. It's a movie. You're on a website that's 4:1 fans of the movie. Of course you're going to get shit.

Here's the deal...there are some on you side of the fence who suggested that the reboots have been widely panned. That the "fans" don't like them. Whatever.

Of course, whenever those claims are made, they're backed up only with their personal views on the matter. Yay personal opinions.

They made money. They won an Oscar. The studios are happy. The fans are overwhelmingly happy.

We're not offended. We're rolling our eyes.

 

[Warped9]

Oooo, it made money. I'm sooo impressed.

Big deal. Tons of stuff that is worthless in this world makes money. Not a barometer of anything to impress me.

I'm also rolling my eyes over some of the exaggerrating whiners.

 

[1001001]

I said nothing about anyone who might like the films.

Oh, good.

If anyone around here needs to grow up it's some on this board along with a large swath of the population at large these days.

But there are some who can't take that. They can't take someone strongly disagreeing with their consensus opinion.

And for those who like to cry that "He does this all the time." you either can't help but exaggerrate or simply prefer to lie.

Hmmmm…

Get off the cross. It's a movie. You're on a website that's 4:1 fans of the movie. Of course you're going to get shit.

We're not offended. We're rolling our eyes.

Guys, just a few posts up I asked everyone to leave the personal stuff out of it. I don't want to give out infractions for this, but I will if it keeps going. No more of this, okay? Just drop it.

Thanks.

 

[BillJ]

Oooo, it made money. I'm sooo impressed.

Big deal. Tons of stuff that is worthless in this world makes money. Not a barometer of anything to impress me.

I'm also rolling my eyes over some of the exaggerrating whiners.

I do think a time comes when someone needs to let something go. Not because of what others think, but because it simply isn't healthy.

I learned a long time ago not to argue with people who are religious. Not because I thought they were right, but because it wasn't productive. I know how I feel and I don't really need to piss on someone else parade.

YMMV.

 

[Ghrakh]

Does it really bother you that other folks like and talk about the Abrams films?

I don't know. I haven't seen you post the barf smiley in a TNG thread recently. Or go on and on about rape. What's changed?

 

[fireproof78]

Oooo, it made money. I'm sooo impressed.

Big deal. Tons of stuff that is worthless in this world makes money. Not a barometer of anything to impress me.

I'm also rolling my eyes over some of the exaggerrating whiners.

I do think a time comes when someone needs to let something go. Not because of what others think, but because it simply isn't healthy.

I learned a long time ago not to argue with people who are religious. Not because I thought they were right, but because it wasn't productive. I know how I feel and I don't really need to piss on someone else parade.

YMMV.

I understand the point, and some times I feel like I'm goading people. But, genuinely, for my own curiosity, I wonder why people think Abrams films are garbage.

That might just be me. I'm fine if it is. I haven't been here that long, so sorry if I missed all the fun. No one owes me an explanation, but I would prefer an actual debate to the talking points of "Best EVA!" or "It's garbage!" Somewhere, there has to be a healthy in between

 

[OldManDoom]

I honestly don't. I could go on forever why, but it looks like most points I have to make have already been made. I think J.J. will do better with Star Wars than he did with Trek.