Simple Question: Do You Like The Reboots?

[Warped9]

Strictly speaking beaming across light years was introduced in TOS, but it was alien technology and a capability the Federation and other known races didn't have.

"Gamesters Of Triskelion" - The Providers beam Kirk, Uhura and Chekov from one star system to another to abduct them.

"Assignment: Earth" - Gary Seven is intecepted while beaming to Earth from an unknown planet light years away.

"That Which Survives" - The Enterprise itself is beamed over 900 light years from one location to another.

 

[Cyke101]

ST09 still has red matter. Even if we complain that it's a macguffin, one thing I wish the movie explored more (but it's *definitely* present in the end) is how weapons-based technology leads to mass diaspora and displacement; in this case, of the Vulcan people. That topic alone is relevant to today and can be used as relevant means to allegory.

 

[BillJ]

ST09 still has red matter. Even if we complain that it's a macguffin, one thing I wish the movie explored more (but it's *definitely* present in the end) is how weapons-based technology leads to mass diaspora and displacement; in this case, of the Vulcan people. That topic alone is relevant to today and can be used as relevant means to allegory.

Both Abrams movies have warp drive and transporters in them and both still fall squarely in the realm of sci-fi concepts.

 

[Greg Cox]

What I was pointing out was that there's sometimes a degree of selective amnesia involved when comparing TOS to the new movies. The TOS I grew up on had plenty of monsters and action and excitement, as well as cool, mind-blowing sci-fi concepts, social allegories, etc.

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OK, so what mind blowing sci-fi concepts and social allegories do you like in the new films? You know, the ones present in the TOS, the show who's "reputation is massively overblown" as you stated earlier.

To be clear, the "reputation is massively overblown" line came from somebody else. (BillJ?) It's unclear who the "you" being addressed is.

And, just off the top of my head, the new movies had alien ships from the future, artificial black holes, alternate universes, telepathic mind-melds, a Federation composed of a wide variety of alien races, working together, genetically-engineered superhumans, cryogenics, exotic super-weapons, future terrorism, etc.

None of which are new concepts in science fiction, to be sure, but they weren't exactly new when TOS did them back in the sixties either . . . .

Heck, even as a kid, I understood how the transporter worked because I had already seen the original Vincent Price version of THE FLY.

(Seriously, I used to worry about Captain Kirk accidentally sharing a transporter beam with a fly. Really.)

 

[Cyke101]

s, a Federation composed of a wide variety of alien races

~snip~

None of which are new concepts in science fiction, but they weren't exactly new when TOS did them back in the sixties either . . . .

My favorite coalition of members from different alien races that predates the Federation is probably the Green Lantern Corps.

 

[Greg Cox]

s, a Federation composed of a wide variety of alien races

~snip~

None of which are new concepts in science fiction, but they weren't exactly new when TOS did them back in the sixties either . . . .

My favorite coalition of members from different alien races that predates the Federation is probably the Green Lantern Corps.

Which was arguably a riff on E.E. Smith's "Lensmen" novels, or so I'm told. (I was always more into Edgar Rice Burroughs and H.G. Wells, when it came to classic early SF.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

s, a Federation composed of a wide variety of alien races

~snip~

None of which are new concepts in science fiction, but they weren't exactly new when TOS did them back in the sixties either . . . .

My favorite coalition of members from different alien races that predates the Federation is probably the Green Lantern Corps.

Which was arguably a riff on E.E. Smith's "Lensmen" novels, or so I'm told. (I was always more into Edgar Rice Burroughs and H.G. Wells, when it comes to classic early SF.)

What no love for the Legion? They have a guy with pointed ears and a green skinned guy!

 

[Greg Cox]

Criticize the film but don't make generalizations about the audience.

That's a very good rule of thumb, and probably the smartest thing that's been said in this thread so far.

We can argue the pros and cons of the movies until we're blue in the face. But casting aspersions on people for liking and/or not liking the movies isn't helpful.

And, yeah, how can we forget the Legion of Superheroes?

 

[ironduke555]

I like the reboot.As long as Romulus is still around.

 

[Cyke101]

My favorite coalition of members from different alien races that predates the Federation is probably the Green Lantern Corps.

Which was arguably a riff on E.E. Smith's "Lensmen" novels, or so I'm told. (I was always more into Edgar Rice Burroughs and H.G. Wells, when it comes to classic early SF.)

What no love for the Legion? They have a guy with pointed ears and a green skinned guy!

Legion gets cancelled too often for my tastes.

But I must confess, I have a GL ring *and* a Legion flight ring on display next to my Starfleet badge

 

[Orphalesion]

Which was arguably a riff on E.E. Smith's "Lensmen" novels, or so I'm told. (I was always more into Edgar Rice Burroughs and H.G. Wells, when it comes to classic early SF.)

What no love for the Legion? They have a guy with pointed ears and a green skinned guy!

Legion gets cancelled too often for my tastes.

But I must confess, I have a GL ring *and* a Legion flight ring on display next to my Starfleet badge

What with the Legion you suddenly don't like the various Re-Boots, Three-Boots and Retro-Boots?
Seriously they get rebooted like every Thursday or something.

 

[Greg Cox]

What no love for the Legion? They have a guy with pointed ears and a green skinned guy!

Legion gets cancelled too often for my tastes.

But I must confess, I have a GL ring *and* a Legion flight ring on display next to my Starfleet badge

What with the Legion you suddenly don't like the various Re-Boots, Three-Boots and Retro-Boots?
Seriously they get rebooted like every Thursday or something.

I admit that I have trouble keeping the various iterations of the LSH straight these days.

"Is Shadow Lass still called Shadow Lass these days, or is she now called Umbra or something instead?"

 

[Isolinear]

I didn't vote. I can't answer the question, because:

I like them as action movies,
but I don't like them as Star Trek movies.

 

[Kemaiku]

I simply don't accept that JJ's formula was the only way to do it. It's not.

I also don't think it's the only formula. But I do think it works for the big screen. His movies are simply fun to watch for this long time fan.

I don't argue it's enjoyed by some. But for myself I find it annoying as hell and tiresome. I simply see nothing recognizable of the Star Trek I admired so much.

And outside of DVD's/Bluray's, you never will again.

 

[CoveTom]

I'm not a fan of the new Trek films, but I'm also not a fan of modern filmmaking in general. The Trek films I can sit through because I'm so devoted to Trek overall. But, generally, I can't stand to sit through any film made in the last 10 years, regardless of what the film is, save for the animated films I watch with my kids.

The non-stop camera movement, the cuts that last all of half a second, the twenty layers of CGI eye candy piled on top of each other, the tinted color palette with everything being awash in an odd blue color... it all combines to drive me insane. You can say that's how films need to be made to appeal to today's audiences, and that's fine. But they're not for me, Trek or otherwise.

 

[Greg Cox]

I also don't think it's the only formula. But I do think it works for the big screen. His movies are simply fun to watch for this long time fan.

I don't argue it's enjoyed by some. But for myself I find it annoying as hell and tiresome. I simply see nothing recognizable of the Star Trek I admired so much.

And outside of DVD's/Bluray's, you never will again.

Ahem, there's always the novels . . .

 

[Warped9]

I also don't think it's the only formula. But I do think it works for the big screen. His movies are simply fun to watch for this long time fan.

I don't argue it's enjoyed by some. But for myself I find it annoying as hell and tiresome. I simply see nothing recognizable of the Star Trek I admired so much.

And outside of DVD's/Bluray's, you never will again.

That's actually quite sad. None of us would be here debating it were it not for TOS. And despite its age there is still a lot of good in it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I loves me some TOS lit. When is the next one out?

 

[Kemaiku]

I loves me some TOS lit. When is the next one out?

Over the summer I think, and more have been announced between now and the anniversary.

 

[Orphalesion]

I'm not a fan of the new Trek films, but I'm also not a fan of modern filmmaking in general. The Trek films I can sit through because I'm so devoted to Trek overall. But, generally, I can't stand to sit through any film made in the last 10 years, regardless of what the film is, save for the animated films I watch with my kids.

The non-stop camera movement, the cuts that last all of half a second, the twenty layers of CGI eye candy piled on top of each other, the tinted color palette with everything being awash in an odd blue color... it all combines to drive me insane. You can say that's how films need to be made to appeal to today's audiences, and that's fine. But they're not for me, Trek or otherwise.

I can relate I'm not much a fan of modern film making either and yes I hate that stupid blue/orange contrast thing they have in a lot of movies as well as large parts of modern hollywood blockbuster storytelling. Oh and non-linear and/or "episodic" movie plot-lines can really go f*** themselves as far as I'm concerned. The sad part is I'm technically part of "today's audiences".

I however wouldn't go a far as to call every movie in the last 10 years unwatchable. There's always good things you only have to find them.