Shouldn't Mark have dumped his emergency replacement substitute wife?
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Re: Shouldn't Mark have dumped his emergency replacement substitute wi
From Janeways reaction in Hunters she is shattered that Mark didn't wait for her, and replaced her quickly and easily. Shattered. It wasn't till the 4th year that she too had to think about putting Mark to one side and trying make a new relevant life for herself.
What about Resolutions?
Resolutions is this bubble where Home, Earth and Mark are an impossibility that would never, was never going to manifest. A sort of Las Vegas in space that her engagement was as good as dead.
It wasn't Mark that stopped her from having sex with Chakotay, and if Mark had been a factor up till the point they were marooned, well then his pawing at her made the Chuckles even more clumsy than at first it seemed.
From Janeways reaction in Hunters she is shattered that Mark didn't wait for her, and replaced her quickly and easily. Shattered. It wasn't till the 4th year that she too had to think about putting Mark to one side and trying make a new relevant life for herself.
What about Resolutions?
Resolutions is this bubble where Home, Earth and Mark are an impossibility that would never, was never going to manifest. A sort of Las Vegas in space that her engagement was as good as dead.
It wasn't Mark that stopped her from having sex with Chakotay, and if Mark had been a factor up till the point they were marooned, well then his pawing at her made the Chuckles even more clumsy than at first it seemed.
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As far as an actor acting goes I recalling the blood draining from both their faces, and I'm probably imaging it, but it I remember Janeway reaching her hand out to grip railing for support because her knees had stopped working.
It's not breakdown on par with "Night" but this was a Starship Captain on her the bridge and for about 3 seconds her emotions fell out. However well she covered her turmoil up after that, it was still weeping under her quickly scabbed composure.
How about "Visibly shaken"?
As far as an actor acting goes I recalling the blood draining from both their faces, and I'm probably imaging it, but it I remember Janeway reaching her hand out to grip railing for support because her knees had stopped working.
It's not breakdown on par with "Night" but this was a Starship Captain on her the bridge and for about 3 seconds her emotions fell out. However well she covered her turmoil up after that, it was still weeping under her quickly scabbed composure.
How about "Visibly shaken"?
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KJ was hardly shattered when she heard from Mark, a little emotional, yes (who wouldn't be), but she recovered quickly enough to go to the party later with a smile. Anyway, as she told Chakotay, it (her dear-jane letter) wasn't that much of a surprise. I sort of think she may have even been a little warmed by the fact that Mark held out as long as he did- he was one of the last to give up on finding Voyager again. PS she wasn't on the bridge, but in her ready room, and was sitting down, so no knees weakening. Yes, it was a tough moment, but she managed to overcome it all well enough.
KJ was hardly shattered when she heard from Mark, a little emotional, yes (who wouldn't be), but she recovered quickly enough to go to the party later with a smile. Anyway, as she told Chakotay, it (her dear-jane letter) wasn't that much of a surprise. I sort of think she may have even been a little warmed by the fact that Mark held out as long as he did- he was one of the last to give up on finding Voyager again. PS she wasn't on the bridge, but in her ready room, and was sitting down, so no knees weakening. Yes, it was a tough moment, but she managed to overcome it all well enough.
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Janeway was sitting down in her readyroom when she read the letter.
Then you're remembering some other show.
Janeway was sitting down in her readyroom when she read the letter.
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Just watched the scene again.
No gripping for support.
No blood draining.
That must have been in another story about something else.
My bad.
But what I did see today was hardly as important a what I heard. Janeway's voice was breaking. She was straining not to cry. (Mulgrew acting. Yay!) It was just getting worse and worse until she couldn't talk any more. And then there's this pause. She's looking at Chakotay like she needs a hug and he's looking at her like he doesn't want to get thrown in the brig for sexual harassment but dang, Kathy really needs a hug, maybe he should...
Which is when the shit hit the fan and they tabled all that emo bunk for another day.
Just watched the scene again.
No gripping for support.
No blood draining.
That must have been in another story about something else.
My bad.
But what I did see today was hardly as important a what I heard. Janeway's voice was breaking. She was straining not to cry. (Mulgrew acting. Yay!) It was just getting worse and worse until she couldn't talk any more. And then there's this pause. She's looking at Chakotay like she needs a hug and he's looking at her like he doesn't want to get thrown in the brig for sexual harassment but dang, Kathy really needs a hug, maybe he should...
Which is when the shit hit the fan and they tabled all that emo bunk for another day.
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Oh, Janeway was sad (and justifiably so), and it was a difficult time, but Mark's letter was kind of a confirmation of what she already suspected had happened. She knew she had to let Mark go and tho she didn't forget him, KJ went on and lived her life the best she could, a little bowed but unbent. (It sure would have been nice if Chak had hugged her, lol; I think she would have appreciated it.) PS, yes without a word, KM showed KJ's emotions in the reading scene masterfully.
Oh, Janeway was sad (and justifiably so), and it was a difficult time, but Mark's letter was kind of a confirmation of what she already suspected had happened. She knew she had to let Mark go and tho she didn't forget him, KJ went on and lived her life the best she could, a little bowed but unbent. (It sure would have been nice if Chak had hugged her, lol; I think she would have appreciated it.) PS, yes without a word, KM showed KJ's emotions in the reading scene masterfully.
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They rebooted Captain America in the Ultimate line of comics at the beginning of this century. New Universe. So after 55 years, he goes in to check in on his "fiancé" he'd slipped a ring to before he shipped out in 1941.
She'd married his side kick with the little domino mask Bucky.
In the Regular 616 Marvel Universe, after X number of years, Captain America kind of tried to ignore his WWII girlfriend even though she worked on support staff at Avengers Mansion becuase he'd started knocking boots with her daughter.
Time is a bitch.
What about Kelsy Grammer's Captain Morgan Bateson from TNG cause and effect, maybe after being trapped in a bubble for 70 years, extended life expectancy as it is, he wanted to reconnect with his wife or girlfriend?
4 years and Mark is ready to move on like he had the libido of someone 1/2 his age. I remember on Sienfeld that George used the beautiful dead fiance line (it was a photograph) to hook up with models, which worked perfectly because it seemed as if he had been pre-vetted and was allowed to interassociate with the "beautiful people".
Did dead Kathryn make Mark more attractive?
Transformed the lad from a 6 into a 9, opening entirely new vistas of women to him he'd thunk unplumbable until Kathryn had been eaten by the Universe?
Imagine trying to fight being that attractive?
They rebooted Captain America in the Ultimate line of comics at the beginning of this century. New Universe. So after 55 years, he goes in to check in on his "fiancé" he'd slipped a ring to before he shipped out in 1941.
She'd married his side kick with the little domino mask Bucky.
In the Regular 616 Marvel Universe, after X number of years, Captain America kind of tried to ignore his WWII girlfriend even though she worked on support staff at Avengers Mansion becuase he'd started knocking boots with her daughter.
Time is a bitch.
What about Kelsy Grammer's Captain Morgan Bateson from TNG cause and effect, maybe after being trapped in a bubble for 70 years, extended life expectancy as it is, he wanted to reconnect with his wife or girlfriend?
4 years and Mark is ready to move on like he had the libido of someone 1/2 his age. I remember on Sienfeld that George used the beautiful dead fiance line (it was a photograph) to hook up with models, which worked perfectly because it seemed as if he had been pre-vetted and was allowed to interassociate with the "beautiful people".
Did dead Kathryn make Mark more attractive?
Transformed the lad from a 6 into a 9, opening entirely new vistas of women to him he'd thunk unplumbable until Kathryn had been eaten by the Universe?
Imagine trying to fight being that attractive?
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Lol, I have no words (but the idea that poor Mark became a chick magnet - all the women lining up to comfort him - is an amusing one). Well, hopefully his wife remains happy with HER choice.
Lol, I have no words (but the idea that poor Mark became a chick magnet - all the women lining up to comfort him - is an amusing one). Well, hopefully his wife remains happy with HER choice.
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In comparison to Handsome Irish Hologram, Handsome Alien Betrayer Kashyk, any man or woman aboard Voyager and, naturally, Seven of Nine...
Mark is the most boring ex-fiance. Why she loved him? Eh, the big, happy, fluffy dog perhaps?
In comparison to Handsome Irish Hologram, Handsome Alien Betrayer Kashyk, any man or woman aboard Voyager and, naturally, Seven of Nine...
Mark is the most boring ex-fiance. Why she loved him? Eh, the big, happy, fluffy dog perhaps?
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Are you suggesting that Janeway had sex with this man whenever briefly she was on Earth just so that he would look after her dog the other 340 days a years she was off planet?
I respect that.
But it also explains why she's so conservative with her sexuality if Janeway uses it to control people and force them obey her, to make what she had to offer all the more valuable and sought after.
Are you suggesting that Janeway had sex with this man whenever briefly she was on Earth just so that he would look after her dog the other 340 days a years she was off planet?
I respect that.
But it also explains why she's so conservative with her sexuality if Janeway uses it to control people and force them obey her, to make what she had to offer all the more valuable and sought after.
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Not quite.
I think that I may have been aiming towards the suggestion that she would have used Mark as a way to acquire the dog.
And, eventually, dispose of the man in a convenient, efficient fashion.
Auntie Janeway gets what she wants. It's about the only reason why the Mark character was so boring/ such a prosaic middle-class suburban Husband-type/ easily re-married and forgotten about.
Or, y'know, the writers didn't think to gift her someone with the appropriate spice and accomplishment, someone whom we could believe she'd want to cross 75,000 lightyears for in a hurry.
Especially when a real stud-muffin in Chuckles was around to tempt her. Woof!
Not quite.
I think that I may have been aiming towards the suggestion that she would have used Mark as a way to acquire the dog.
And, eventually, dispose of the man in a convenient, efficient fashion.
Auntie Janeway gets what she wants. It's about the only reason why the Mark character was so boring/ such a prosaic middle-class suburban Husband-type/ easily re-married and forgotten about.
Or, y'know, the writers didn't think to gift her someone with the appropriate spice and accomplishment, someone whom we could believe she'd want to cross 75,000 lightyears for in a hurry.
Especially when a real stud-muffin in Chuckles was around to tempt her. Woof!
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If Mark was truly a sub rather than an equal partner then he never would have given away her dogs puppies.
If Mark was truly a sub rather than an equal partner then he never would have given away her dogs puppies.
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