Shouldn't Barcley have gotten promotion do to manpower needs?
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His erratic behavior and poor work performance like being late all the time would mean he'd not be high up on consideration for promotion
Well, Starfleet isn't NATO. I guess that there has been some development since the 21th century and that some things are very different from what we have today.
In fact, Barclay is evidence for that. Today he would probably be booted out of most armies, not to mention ordinary works as well but in the 24th century they might see other qualities in him.
Therefore the events in "Learning Curve" did surprise me. The military bullying that Tuvok actually did show up there will hopefully be gone in the 24th century.
In fact, Barclay is evidence for that. Today he would probably be booted out of most armies, not to mention ordinary works as well but in the 24th century they might see other qualities in him.
Therefore the events in "Learning Curve" did surprise me. The military bullying that Tuvok actually did show up there will hopefully be gone in the 24th century.
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You did hit the nail on the head there. As I wrote in a previous post, Barclay obviously have some qualities which makes him a valuable Starfleet officer.
He's a bit weird but I like him!
They should have shot Barclay in the head.
He's an unstable element that's a detriment to any team.
As an Officer you're supposted to be able to rely on your team mates.
Barclay is unreliable and would get his team mates killed in the line of duty due to his sloppy work ethic.
He's an unstable element that's a detriment to any team.
As an Officer you're supposted to be able to rely on your team mates.
Barclay is unreliable and would get his team mates killed in the line of duty due to his sloppy work ethic.
Indeed I think the question should be "Why was Barcley not discharged or suspended until he sorted his behavioural problems out"
Why do people even bother comparing contemporary military to SF or the Federation at all?
Apart from seemingly sharing some aspects, they are basically nothing alike.
Some people should really stop tying every single present day aspect in explaining the future ones (which would by default be RADICALLY different).
Barclay is actually a well versed engineer and as such would for the most part be left to work in that department.
Given his experiences on the Enterprise - D and him being a super human (at least mentally) SF would be idiotic not to put him in a research team for development of new techs given his rare instances of having a moment of 'understanding'.
As for Tuvok.
Let's keep in mind that 'Learning Curve' happened in season 1 when everyone were still getting used to one another.
Also, this is Tuvok we are talking about.
And who is to say that Barclay was not good in aspects that Tuvok presented to the Maqui crewmen?
Barclay obeyed the rules, the Maqui crewmen did no such thing (well, at least not at first).
Both Tuvok and the Maqui were able to find a middle ground for example.
Given the fact that there is a good chance how not everyone at SF academy would teach cadets in the same manner, it's safe to say that instructors have the ability to put their own set of rules.
Of course cadets would have to pass, but the instructor itself would also have to know how to deal with the cadets in question.
Barclay was most likely NOT in Tuvok's class.
It is pointed out by Janeway at some point in Voyager that a number of officers, particularly Ensign Kim, would have been promoted had they not been stuck on Voyager. (Besides the original promotions when Janeway has to redistribute the 2 crews and replace the officers who died in episode 1.)
It isn't like the crew can be renewed - or like anybody not meeting Starfleet standards on Voyager can be discharged and sent home. They have to work with what they have (they can't afford idle hands either), and Tuvok thinks he is helping both the ship and the crewmen he's riding so hard.
[Can one say 'both' if the total is more than 2?]
It isn't like the crew can be renewed - or like anybody not meeting Starfleet standards on Voyager can be discharged and sent home. They have to work with what they have (they can't afford idle hands either), and Tuvok thinks he is helping both the ship and the crewmen he's riding so hard.
[Can one say 'both' if the total is more than 2?]
Barclay *did* get promoted. His time on the Pathfinder project earned him the rank of full Lieutenant (he used to be a LTJG).
That's who I thought Barclay was! But the posts made me confuse him with somebody else. (I have to brush up on my Voyager.)
When is it, then, that Tuvok can be hard on him, if Barclay is not a Voyager crew member ?? (Although he gets to be an honorary crewman of Voyager, I think. Doctor honoris causa sort of like.)
^ ^ They were talking about an episode where Tuvok trains some Maquis crew and how that would hypothetically apply to an engineering corps type like Reg Barclay; the two of them never had such an encounter; but Reg undoubtedtly had to go through training when at the academy. (Tuvok used to teach at the academy, just FYI.)
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