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Should Tyler be charged with Dr. Culber's murder?

Should Tyler be charged with Dr. Culber's murder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 37.5%
  • No

    Votes: 45 62.5%

  • Total voters
    72
I've forgotten: If "Ash" was actually a skin suit for Voq, why did they excise the Voq personality? It doesn't bring the real Tyler back, and it seems like it would have been simpler to hold Voq accountable for Voq's actions.

You'd think giving Voq the death penalty would have warranted a little more discussion than it got.
 
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As to how the Ash Tyler persona was copied into what was left of Voq's brain...it got copied from the original Ash Tyler via mindsifter.
Yep. But ultimately it is just a copy implanted in Voq's brain.

It is even perfectly possible that it is a really shitty copy. No one on the show knew the real Tyler, it is possible that people who knew him well would have instantly realised that Voq-Tyler was behaving differently and lacking huge chunks of personal memories.
 
Ash Tyler died in captivity: a real tragedy. Whatever Voq now is, there is no reason to trust him unless we can trust L'Rell, the one who's been scheming and deceiving all season.
 
:lol:

Seriously though, I'm curious about the implications of your interpretation of things, especially as pertains to the OP question.

You're insisting it's not actually Tyler, inasmuch as the physical superstructure and brain were physically Voq's. (How a Klingon brain could pass for human in scans while the other organs had to be transplanted is a question we'll leave for another day.)

But it's also not Voq, inasmuch as his consciousness was (apparently) expunged by L'rell. We were told that some memories remain accessible, but it seems they're just in the form of raw data, without any sense of awareness.

So who or what is the being that remains? It's got constituent parts from multiple beings, the brain and memories of one, the skin, organs, and consciousness of another. How do you determine an identity for this being, much less hold it legally accountable for anything?
From my perspective there is just one mind. It is like sometimes you can dream of being someone else, and at that moment you really believe it and do not remember your awake self. But it still really you having that experience. So I think it is kinda like that having two personas in one mind.
 
Except dead cells regenerate when exposed to the Genesis wave.


Memories are not the mind.


1: You think regeneration ( which is cloning) and Rejuvenation (which is not) are the same thing. Dead is dead, the wave was not magic ( In trek anyhow) it can create new cells based off the old, nothing sid it used magic to bring them back to life. it cloned new cells, this is what was said on screen.

2: They are, what are you without the events that made you? Maybe you mean brain and not mind, once more those are not the same thing.
 
:lol:

Seriously though, I'm curious about the implications of your interpretation of things, especially as pertains to the OP question.

You're insisting it's not actually Tyler, inasmuch as the physical superstructure and brain were physically Voq's. (How a Klingon brain could pass for human in scans while the other organs had to be transplanted is a question we'll leave for another day.)

But it's also not Voq, inasmuch as his consciousness was (apparently) expunged by L'rell. We were told that some memories remain accessible, but it seems they're just in the form of raw data, without any sense of awareness.

So who or what is the being that remains? It's got constituent parts from multiple beings, the brain and memories of one, the skin, organs, and consciousness of another. How do you determine an identity for this being, much less hold it legally accountable for anything?

Addendum: you keep using the phrase "magical soul transfer." That seems like a pointless rhetorical flourish. The show hasn't suggested any such thing; it's framed the entire process in entirely scientific terms (albeit extremely implausible ones). No magic was ever said to be involved (not even the "Vulcan mysticism" kind), and AFAIK no such thing as a soul even exists in the Trekverse (never mind the real one). How this composite being could be created by Klingon medical technology is indeed a strain on credulity, but no more than a lot of other aspects of the show (like, say, the entire Mirror Universe). Why draw the line about what you'll swallow at this in particular?

I think you're assuming more than I,

they flat out say in the show what is what. It sounds like you're trying really hard to apply a modern psychological problem on top of a future sci-fi scenario that's both psychological and genetic.

This is not multiple personality disorder. I went and re-watched it, they are pretty clear. This is the individual Ash Tyler, and the Individual Voq, sharing some genetic / physical amalgamation of a body and brain.
 
OK, fine. Let's go with this then. Klingons can use magic.

So answer to the original question is that you should weigh Tyler and if he weighs less than a duck you should burn him as a witch.

Dude, it's just sci-fi. Poorly explained sci-fi, but yes, sci-fi.

Something in future fiction, not being possible by today's real understandings, isn't magic.
 
Apart from the obvious fact that we have seen characters mind controlled in the past literally dozens of times, I'm pretty sure Voq killing the Doctor would be hard to pass off as murder given they were both combatants on opposite sides of a war.
 
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