Except that's exactly what happened. David Marcus says: "Genesis wave, his cells could have been regenerated."
Should Tyler be charged with Dr. Culber's murder?
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Oh, I completely agree that it strains credulity, but take that up with the writers, not me. That said, it doesn't have to involve anything "magical," and we're talking about a consciousness, not a "soul." The mental part is actually the easiest to suspend disbelief for, IMHO; after all, it was established in the Klingons' very first appearance that they had "mind sifter" technology that could basically completely extract someone's consciousness.
Regenerated is not the same as rejuvenated. If you take dead cells and use their DNA to generate a new body, you basically have a clone. That's what the Genesis wave did to Spock. At any rate, the point remains: the body wasn't "really" Spock until his consciousness was transplanted into it.
Cloned or used magic to resurrect the dead. You seem to think regeneration and rejuvenation are the same thing. Cloning is regeneration, its making new cells. Rejuvenation would be making cells younger, which would have done jack for Radiation damage. By your quote, he is a clone.
And Vulcans at lest can make souls jump bodies or ya know, hang around a few thousand years. So The "
strains credulity" left the stage a very long time ago.
Mind sanner was just a device to read and record thoughts. Unless we start to assume magic, your consciousness is tied to your brain. You cannot transplant it. Memories you probably could. The Klingons could have used the mind scanner to read Tyler's memories, and then somehow surgically imprint that into Voq's brain.
We have to agree to disagree. It was Spock suffering from amnesia. He obviously has consciousness when he did not have memories, so that did not 'move' at any point. His memories were restored.
Only after a mind meld, his soul and memories got moved to him. This is vulcan magic 101
He says 'Cells have regenerated' that is the same cells, not new ones.
Or more conservatively, Vulcans have methods to read memories and store them.
Did the Spock on Genesiss seem unconscious to you? 'Soul' is just poetic turn of a phrase here. He got his memories back, that's it.
Dead cells do not regenerate. New cells can be based off the old ones. You are describing a cloned cell.
Mind uploading , which you are talking about, wins my argument, not yours.
In the real world, that's probably a reasonable conclusion to draw. In the Trekverse, we know otherwise.
Except dead cells regenerate when exposed to the Genesis wave.
Memories are not the mind.
OK, fine. Let's go with this then. Klingons can use magic.
So answer to the original question is that you should weigh Tyler and if he weighs less than a duck you should burn him as a witch.
A Klingon turned Paris into a newt.
I knew it, 35% of folks on here don't have a clue. 
Seriously, he wasn't in control. This is not a hard question.
Seriously, he wasn't in control. This is not a hard question.
No that isn't at all what is being insinuated in the show. Maybe my interpretation is off but I'm pretty sure the insinuation was they shoved tyler in to voqs modified noggin.
Ash is a seperate consciousness in the same brain as voq's
You can think that but there is no reason to assume so. Nothing that actually happens in the show requires that to be the case. And because it is flat out impossible (I know, not the first impossible thing in the show) then I rather not assume that anything of the sort happened.
Seriously, multiple personality disorder is a real thing; sure you can assume that this is some sort of magical soul transfer, but there is no need to do so when more mundane explanation suffices.
Seriously though, I'm curious about the implications of your interpretation of things, especially as pertains to the OP question.
You're insisting it's not actually Tyler, inasmuch as the physical superstructure and brain were physically Voq's. (How a Klingon brain could pass for human in scans while the other organs had to be transplanted is a question we'll leave for another day.)
But it's also not Voq, inasmuch as his consciousness was (apparently) expunged by L'rell. We were told that some memories remain accessible, but it seems they're just in the form of raw data, without any sense of awareness.
So who or what is the being that remains? It's got constituent parts from multiple beings, the brain and memories of one, the skin, organs, and consciousness of another. How do you determine an identity for this being, much less hold it legally accountable for anything?
Addendum: you keep using the phrase "magical soul transfer." That seems like a pointless rhetorical flourish. The show hasn't suggested any such thing; it's framed the entire process in entirely scientific terms (albeit extremely implausible ones). No magic was ever said to be involved (not even the "Vulcan mysticism" kind), and AFAIK no such thing as a soul even exists in the Trekverse (never mind the real one). How this composite being could be created by Klingon medical technology is indeed a strain on credulity, but no more than a lot of other aspects of the show (like, say, the entire Mirror Universe). Why draw the line about what you'll swallow at this in particular?
