Should Tyler be charged with Dr. Culber's murder?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Tuvix5675, Feb 6, 2018.

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Should Tyler be charged with Dr. Culber's murder?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. WraithDukat

    WraithDukat Captain Captain

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    Technically it wasn't him, I suppose it falls under insanity defence.
     
  2. Mirror Mirror

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    By this point, Starfleets Military Code has to cover mind control and alien influence. I mean its a once a year thing at lest.
     
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  3. Tim Thomason

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    I imagine the JAG office will decline to press charges due to jurisdictional issues.
     
  4. Tuskin38

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    The two personalities were fighting each other, Tyler's was stronger then Voq's, L'Rell "killed" Voq's personae to stop Voq's suffering.

    Seems pretty clear from watching the show.
     
  5. cultcross

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    That element is definitely made out - it's a more flowery way of saying 'intent' - so split second intent to kill (or cause grievous bodily harm) is sufficient. That's no requirement for any element of premeditation, contrary to popular belief.
     
  6. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Which are? :confused:
     
  7. Shinzonfan

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    There are a lot of compelling arguments on both sides, but none of them are definitive. I think there has to be an inquiry or preliminary hearing at the very least to establish the facts and determine if they want to go forward with a full trial. So yes, I think he has to be charged, and Culber's family would expect no less, they would want answers.

    Not to be forgotten in this debate, if there is no reset and the Tyler character continues, then this issue becomes material for at least one good episode. From the writer's perspective this is something they wouldn't want to waste. So yes, he has to be charged.
     
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  8. Visitor1982

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    Luckily Star Trek is not based on the US legal system...
     
  9. Tim Thomason

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    I don't know, and neither would JAG. Hence the issue, and thus inability to charge the current individual d.b.a. Ash Tyler with any crime he has previously committed.
     
  10. Prax

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    Can Tyler be compared to Picard, or Tuvok, or anyone else being taken over by an alien?

    If so, then "Tyler" is the impostor, in Voq's body. Why wasn't he taken to a facility the moment he was rescued? He had 6 months of knowledge on the Klingons. His debriefing is at the very least, long past due.

    Starfleet comes off as incredibly naive here.

    Tuvok "cured" Sudor, sort of like Lrell "cured" Tylok, but Sudor was locked away none the less. It was the only option they had.
     
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  11. Mirror Mirror

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    No, starfleet has its own uniform code pf justice, which seems to give a pass on mind control. No clue what the fedration laws are like.
     
  12. DEWLine

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    This is going to be a good chance to explore the question. This show needs a "Court-Martial" or "Measure of a Man" or "Drumhead" of its own.
     
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  13. Refuge

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    What DNA was found on the victims throat or at the scene of the crime? Might be a good start to determining who killed him.
     
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  15. Mirror Mirror

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    Does not work like that in trek. People under mind control or alien influence ALWAYS seems to get a pass. And with Vulcans around there is no chance to lie about it.
     
  16. Prax

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    Can't we just call him Voq? When he was guilting Burnham into being his lover again, he said "something something because Klingons killed your parents, then you fell in love with one[Klingon]." He also says "Ash loved you."

    Why is he talking like this?

    How can L'Rell just "delete" "Voq" from Voq?
    How can we trust her?

    And most importantly...
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    Where did she get those crazy gloves?! Does she keep them on her at all times?
    Did she hide them in her hair during the strip search? These are the same gloves she used to transform Voq's mind in the first place.
     
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  17. Mirror Mirror

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    Because, he is not Ash is he? Or is he Ash? I mean at the time He knew for fact he was Ash. Now he has been told he is a copy of Ash in a heavily modified Klingon body. How would you feel or anyone feel when you found out everything you know about you is a lie?

    He is Ash, but he is also not the Ash he thought he was,
     
  18. Spot261

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    I'm guessing the were replicated, probably a standard set of kit in the databanks

    Just curious, what makes you assume they strip searched her?
     
  19. Prax

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    Because she's wearing their county blues. It was more a joke, because she has no hair
     
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  20. Spot261

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    Ahhh, I was just guessing they probably scan people....