Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color(s)
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It looks as if they consist of trousers and a tunic/jacket top. They seem to come in a variety of colors.
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
I don't think the cadet uniforms are what we'll see as the typical duty uniform. In fact, I'm guessing those are "dress" cadet uniforms, and in that respect, other than the color scheme, they're not too far from the dress uniforms of TOS.
I do notice that the colors seem to mimic those of the division colors of the TOS movies.
I don't think the cadet uniforms are what we'll see as the typical duty uniform. In fact, I'm guessing those are "dress" cadet uniforms, and in that respect, other than the color scheme, they're not too far from the dress uniforms of TOS.
I do notice that the colors seem to mimic those of the division colors of the TOS movies.
Even in Enterprise command line officers wore gold piping... yes.
Of course, they also wore green tops, in TOS.
And in WNMHGB and The Cage, the colors were that sandy gold, reddish tan, and science blue... any combination of this era would work.
But the OP mentioned *jackets*.
I'd like to see The Cage jackets (the blue, with colored piping for division), or something like what the fanfilm Starship Farragut went with for their landing parties.
I'm sure we'll see images before long: uniforms wouldn't spoil the plot, and would satiate a lot of the curiosity without giving away script...
Of course, they also wore green tops, in TOS.
And in WNMHGB and The Cage, the colors were that sandy gold, reddish tan, and science blue... any combination of this era would work.
But the OP mentioned *jackets*.
I'd like to see The Cage jackets (the blue, with colored piping for division), or something like what the fanfilm Starship Farragut went with for their landing parties.
I'm sure we'll see images before long: uniforms wouldn't spoil the plot, and would satiate a lot of the curiosity without giving away script...
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
^ As long as it retains the sole of the original it will be just fine.
^ As long as it retains the sole of the original it will be just fine.
GREEN!!!!!
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
I want to see stuff that's reminiscent of TOS to the maximum extent possible, while EXPANDING upon it, following both contemporary military standards and just general common sense.
Jumpsuits are uncomfortable, compared to separate-pants-and-shirt clothing. They can fit you standing, or sitting, but not both. So... no jumpsuits unless it's for a very specific function.
The basic uniform should be trousers and tunics. The trousers should be basic black, and should be worn over boots. The boots should be more "practical" than the dress-boots worn in TOS, however (I own a pair of boots very similar to those, and while they're VERY comfortable, having them constructed with elements of athletic footwear as well as elements of protective footwear only makes sense.
(Interestingly, this seems to be the direction that the production has taken regarding footwear, based upon what little we've seen so far.)
Every uniform should have, as it's basis, a pull-over-type shirt, in department colors. The colors should go back to the classic TOS color scheme. The fact that Roddenberry "revised" this for TNG later on, just on a lark as far as I can tell, should have no impact on this.
There should be three colors for departments. Depending on the timeframe, they should be pale red (aka "Salmon"), pale blue-grey, and pale tan, or more vibrant red, blue, and gold. The vibrant colored ones should go over a black undershirt with a black collar that's visible. The older muted ones should have integral collars.
Rank should be indicated by braid on the sleeves. However, the form of the braid can vary. In fact, if it's pre-TOS, the "braid" would be replaced by "bars" and there's no reason not to have pins or markings on those bars.
So far, we're talking something VERY similar to TOS. But there should be variations.
In the real military, besides "Class C" uniforms (BDUs, or in Trek terms, technician jumpsuits and so forth), you have "Class A," "Class B", and various dress-grade uniforms. These have been developed over time, and they simply make sense. No sense in redeveloping things that already work, huh?
SO... the basic "TOS-style" uniform is just the "base" Class B uniform. There are various add-ons that go along with that.
For instance, you would have overjackets... probably multiple types (light field duty jackets, semi-dress jackets, even basic thermal jackets... aka "sweaters"... which could be worn on top of this. TWOK and later gave us many variations on this sort of thing... see Kirk's vest in "Generations" for example.
You'd have specialized field gear. Security personnel should wear a "body armor" jacket (similar to what you see in TMP in concept, though probably not so much so in execution!). Engineering personnel would wear anti-radiation gear. I'd really like to see the "load bearing vest" we saw in the corridors during Season 1 so often (after all, the pants don't have pockets... this vest was the answer to that it seems!).
You'd also have rough-duty field gear... heavier-duty boots, heavy field jackets, etc. Something more along the line of what we saw in ST-V.
The trick is to EXPAND on what we know, not replace it. Keep the general appearance of the "Class B duty uniform" almost identical. Just give us additional variations and "tweaks" that we can assume may have "always been there" but we were never shown due to budgetary issues.
SO... "should the uniforms include a jacket" isn't the right question. Rather... "should there be uniform variations, and may some of those variations include jackets of various types?" The answer to that is a resounding YES! But aboard ship, typically, the crew wouldn't wear that uniform variant.
Make sense?
Blech. No thanks. I am SICK TO DEATH of the "Blackman redesign" uniforms. And ABSOLUTELY sick of the "Blackman shoulder-pad outline" and geometric "slimmer-downers" on them.
I want to see stuff that's reminiscent of TOS to the maximum extent possible, while EXPANDING upon it, following both contemporary military standards and just general common sense.
Jumpsuits are uncomfortable, compared to separate-pants-and-shirt clothing. They can fit you standing, or sitting, but not both. So... no jumpsuits unless it's for a very specific function.
The basic uniform should be trousers and tunics. The trousers should be basic black, and should be worn over boots. The boots should be more "practical" than the dress-boots worn in TOS, however (I own a pair of boots very similar to those, and while they're VERY comfortable, having them constructed with elements of athletic footwear as well as elements of protective footwear only makes sense.
(Interestingly, this seems to be the direction that the production has taken regarding footwear, based upon what little we've seen so far.)
Every uniform should have, as it's basis, a pull-over-type shirt, in department colors. The colors should go back to the classic TOS color scheme. The fact that Roddenberry "revised" this for TNG later on, just on a lark as far as I can tell, should have no impact on this.
There should be three colors for departments. Depending on the timeframe, they should be pale red (aka "Salmon"), pale blue-grey, and pale tan, or more vibrant red, blue, and gold. The vibrant colored ones should go over a black undershirt with a black collar that's visible. The older muted ones should have integral collars.
Rank should be indicated by braid on the sleeves. However, the form of the braid can vary. In fact, if it's pre-TOS, the "braid" would be replaced by "bars" and there's no reason not to have pins or markings on those bars.
So far, we're talking something VERY similar to TOS. But there should be variations.
In the real military, besides "Class C" uniforms (BDUs, or in Trek terms, technician jumpsuits and so forth), you have "Class A," "Class B", and various dress-grade uniforms. These have been developed over time, and they simply make sense. No sense in redeveloping things that already work, huh?
SO... the basic "TOS-style" uniform is just the "base" Class B uniform. There are various add-ons that go along with that.
For instance, you would have overjackets... probably multiple types (light field duty jackets, semi-dress jackets, even basic thermal jackets... aka "sweaters"... which could be worn on top of this. TWOK and later gave us many variations on this sort of thing... see Kirk's vest in "Generations" for example.
You'd have specialized field gear. Security personnel should wear a "body armor" jacket (similar to what you see in TMP in concept, though probably not so much so in execution!). Engineering personnel would wear anti-radiation gear. I'd really like to see the "load bearing vest" we saw in the corridors during Season 1 so often (after all, the pants don't have pockets... this vest was the answer to that it seems!).
You'd also have rough-duty field gear... heavier-duty boots, heavy field jackets, etc. Something more along the line of what we saw in ST-V.
The trick is to EXPAND on what we know, not replace it. Keep the general appearance of the "Class B duty uniform" almost identical. Just give us additional variations and "tweaks" that we can assume may have "always been there" but we were never shown due to budgetary issues.
SO... "should the uniforms include a jacket" isn't the right question. Rather... "should there be uniform variations, and may some of those variations include jackets of various types?" The answer to that is a resounding YES! But aboard ship, typically, the crew wouldn't wear that uniform variant.
Make sense?
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
My understanding was that the TNG uniforms were designed by William Ware Theiss, who also IIRC designed the TOS uniforms. And that Blackman designed the DS9 and FC uniforms. Am I missing something?
My preferred uniforms are TMP and TNG, however, my only directive to Abrams is this: Give me something that's aesthetically pleasing. :thumbsup:
My understanding was that the TNG uniforms were designed by William Ware Theiss, who also IIRC designed the TOS uniforms. And that Blackman designed the DS9 and FC uniforms. Am I missing something?
My preferred uniforms are TMP and TNG, however, my only directive to Abrams is this: Give me something that's aesthetically pleasing. :thumbsup:
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
Total agreement, hey its Star Trek I expect the uniforms to change every few years... weeks... months or something like that.
Sharr
Total agreement, hey its Star Trek I expect the uniforms to change every few years... weeks... months or something like that.
Sharr
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
Agreed, I think it was always intended to be green. It just looked gold under certain lighting conditions.
Notice how the dress uniform, and the wraparound tunic, were more obviously green?
And besides, it makes sense that they'd choose those colors to sell color TVs in that day: Green, blue, red.
Even if some of the uniforms we see in ST XI are exact copies of the TOS style, any command uniforms we see like that should be *green*, because it seems obvious that's what they were 'supposed' to be.
klingongoat said:
GREEN!!!!!
Agreed, I think it was always intended to be green. It just looked gold under certain lighting conditions.
Notice how the dress uniform, and the wraparound tunic, were more obviously green?
And besides, it makes sense that they'd choose those colors to sell color TVs in that day: Green, blue, red.
Even if some of the uniforms we see in ST XI are exact copies of the TOS style, any command uniforms we see like that should be *green*, because it seems obvious that's what they were 'supposed' to be.
Re: Should the uniforms include a jacket? If so, what color
It is true that the wrap-around and Kirk's dress jacket were both green. It's also true that the pilot uniforms were different colors yet again, and that there were some "test article" clothing done with semi-metallic-looking fabrics that got used later on (see Finnegan's shirt, or the shirts worn by the listening post commander in "Balance of Terror" or the survivor of Cestus III in "Arena").
What it looked like on-screen is what it was. It looked gold, hence it was gold. It wasn't green fabric that looked gold under "certain conditions." 100% of the time, these shirts looked gold. Because they were.
Why? Probably because Bill Theis requested green in the material he was looking for but they didn't have any? Or perhaps, vice-versa, he was looking for gold and there was no gold in the fabric he wanted to make the dress jackets out of? I don't really know... and I'll bet nobody else here does either.
All we know, for certain, is what we've seen with our own eyes.
What's on-screen is what's canon. In 100% of the cases, the Command tunics in TOS are gold, or "Tenne" as the FJTM called it.Babaganoosh said:
klingongoat said:
GREEN!!!!!
Agreed, I think it was always intended to be green. It just looked gold under certain lighting conditions.
Notice how the dress uniform, and the wraparound tunic, were more obviously green?
And besides, it makes sense that they'd choose those colors to sell color TVs in that day: Green, blue, red.
Even if some of the uniforms we see in ST XI are exact copies of the TOS style, any command uniforms we see like that should be *green*, because it seems obvious that's what they were 'supposed' to be.
It is true that the wrap-around and Kirk's dress jacket were both green. It's also true that the pilot uniforms were different colors yet again, and that there were some "test article" clothing done with semi-metallic-looking fabrics that got used later on (see Finnegan's shirt, or the shirts worn by the listening post commander in "Balance of Terror" or the survivor of Cestus III in "Arena").
What it looked like on-screen is what it was. It looked gold, hence it was gold. It wasn't green fabric that looked gold under "certain conditions." 100% of the time, these shirts looked gold. Because they were.
Why? Probably because Bill Theis requested green in the material he was looking for but they didn't have any? Or perhaps, vice-versa, he was looking for gold and there was no gold in the fabric he wanted to make the dress jackets out of? I don't really know... and I'll bet nobody else here does either.
All we know, for certain, is what we've seen with our own eyes.
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