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Spoilers Should Star Trek be "our future" or an alternate timeline?

I think, going forward...

  • Trek should retcon things that haven't happened as being further in the future/never having happened

    Votes: 14 26.9%
  • Trek should embrace being an alternative timeline/universe.

    Votes: 38 73.1%

  • Total voters
    52
Sometimes it feels like Star Trek is more than just entertainment, in a good way.

It quit being more than entertainment when Roddenberry decided to hawk IDIC Medallions in the third season of TOS. Since then, it is product designed to enrichen the IP holders.

See the NFT thread...
 
Alternate timeline. Makes no sense to be our future.
I mean at this point if time, they have sent a person to Saturn and back. We’re lacking compared to them.
The novels give you a good idea on what their 2000’s should be like. The tv shows are always lazy when it comes to that by just making it our present.
 
And a major retcon.

The rest of your point is subjective, but calling it a retcon is just factually inaccurate.

There are lots of examples of advanced spaceflight within the Trekverse, from Nomad to the Botany Bay to that sleeper ship from The Neutral Zone. DS9 and VOY mostly ignored this, but they didn't write it over, so it always remained canon.
 
Alternate timeline. Makes no sense to be our future.
I mean at this point if time, they have sent a person to Saturn and back. We’re lacking compared to them.
The novels give you a good idea on what their 2000’s should be like. The tv shows are always lazy when it comes to that by just making it our present.
I trust you'll foot the bill.
 
I'm amazed.

Calling them lazy for working within the confines of a budget absurd.
All they need to do is give things different names and be more creative with the Political and geographic situation. It wouldn’t cost much. Certainly less than doing a future setting
 
All they need to do is give things different names and be more creative with the Political and geographic situation. It wouldn’t cost much. Certainly less than doing a future setting
To what end? Star Trek has always involved Earth.
 
They could have fictional countries. Other action/adventure franchises do this. Even the original Mission Impossible series did so repeatedly.

Kor
 
Well we know for example that Ireland is unified in 2024. I don’t think that’ll happen In our world. They could have some fun with the American states and/or other countries. Build tension between them that would not be a thing here.
 
So, uh, exactly like any other fictional story ever before, they put fictional characters in a real life setting?

Thus creating a fictional world, yes.

Titanic is set in a fictional world in which various passengers who didn't appear on the ships manifest form the characters. As soon as you introduce even the slightest element of fiction, you're not in our world anymore. Maybe to a very slight degree, but still the degree exists.

And Star Trek canon does quite a lot more than invent a few passengers on a famous boat. In fact, it goes a lot further than putting vampires onboard said boat:

In TOS alone, we have Jack the Ripper as an alien, Greek Gods as ancient aliens who intervened in our history, space flights and wars that have dates that have been and gone, historical figures who never existed and references to real events that are massively inaccurate (death tolls in the first two world wars).

So how come vampires on the Titanic is too much for you, but Jack the Ripper reimagined as a cloud of extraterrestrial gas capable of interstellar travel is given a pass?
 
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Kirk's shuttles weren't warp capable at Kirk's time,
I know they said that in dialogue, but the evidence presented in the shows would suggest otherwise, such as Metamorphosis where they were using a shuttle to ferry Commissioner Hedford interstellar distances. Or the more egregious example, The Menagerie, where Spock is taking the Enterprise to Talos at warp, and Kirk and Commodore Mendez decide to pursue in a shuttle, despite the fact that if the shuttle is indeed not warp capable, they should have no chance of catching up to the Enterprise.
 
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