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Should Oxytocin be Banned?

Should oxytocin be banned?

  • Yes, ban it. Women shouldn't have the power to feminize men with a nazal spray.

    Votes: 6 26.1%
  • No, allow it. What a women does to a man is her own business.

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • No, allow it. Anything that can help a man get in touch with his feelings is a good thing.

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • No, allow it, and the Pentagon needs to weaponize it so they can turn Islamic radicals into pussies.

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • Would it work on my cat?

    Votes: 10 43.5%

  • Total voters
    23
A dude who has had his balls cut off is still a dude.
But he won't act like one, and therefore won't really “be” one. That's basically what this chemical does. Assuming it works, or is even real, which is not exactly certain.
Oxytocin is quite real. It's a naturally occurring hormone that has legitimate medical uses, e.g., inducing labor and controlling postpartum intrauterine bleeding. It's legal in nasal-spray form without a prescription. Its psychological effects when inhaled are controversial and need further research.
Cripes. I need to read more slowly. Once again i misread the title and thought it said, “Should Oxycotin be banned?” To wit, my answer would have been NO!!!!!
I assume you mean OxyContin. That's what I thought at first too! The names of the two drugs are easy to confuse.

Ban OxyContin? What would Rush Limbaugh do?
 
The finding raises the tantalising possibility that women could use oxytocin sprays to help macho boyfriends and husbands get in touch with their feminine side.

Chauvinists could be turned into sensitive souls happy to watch weepy films and critique outfits on shopping trips.

On the other hand, it is unclear how long the effects of the spray last - meaning men might no longer be relied on to put up shelves, remove spiders and change fuses in times of need.

Maybe my "thinking like a baby" comment was quite accurate. Women are seemingly encouraged in our cultures- by articles like this- to truly consider their desires the centre of the universe. It's very worrying.

Are you kidding? Putting aside the myriad ways, both insidious and blatant, in which women in our society, to their detriment, are "encouraged" to conform to mens' and society's desires and assumptions about them.

Which sex is being "encouraged" to conform with (and being measured against) the common behaviour and desires of the other? Women are the yard stick here, not men, and men are being evaluated in accordance with women's desires. You cannot deny that the article- and the underlying social assumptions- paint a woman's whims as being central to her relationships with others, and the men associating with them being either "manly" or "feminine" as and when it suits her needs. The article promotes such a view, albeit in a rather tongue-in-cheek way (which I still found personally irritating). It promotes this very infant-like worldview and seemingly encourages women to adopt it. I do not see how this can be denied. And this is what I find worrying.

And as for both sexes being confined by society's traditional expectations- that's society's, not any one sex- that's what I'm always saying. I mean, have I not made my overall stance on gender clear by now? If not over my time on this board at least in this very thread? Yes, the article here contains an assumption as to "male" and "female" behaviour and desires, but importantly it represents a woman's desires or whims (whatever they might be) as being the correct determinator of a man's behaviour. Not vice-versa.

Also, if anyone is "encouraging" women to behave in certain ways or face overt disapproval and distaste, I think you'll find it's most commonly various feminist groups. They're the ones who condemn women for making certain choices and relating to themselves and their social role in anything other than ideologically prescribed manners.

Plus, it's stereotypically "male" behaviour that, as a rule, is discouraged and condemned in the Western world at present. Or can you show me the masses of young girls drugged up to make them behave differently? This article is simply part of a wider cultural trend.

This article itself does little more than promote pervasive gender stereotypes that are offensive to both men and women. The passage you posted goes much further toward infantalizing women than it does men.

Which is exactly what I said. :confused:

Only you seem to have taken the "offensive to men" part I highlighted- and which I clearly defined as my personal irritation- as an affront, despite now trying to insist it's an equally valid perspective. And yes, you clearly view it as more of an affront to women. Well, that's your analysis. Mine is different. Not everyone sees gender through the lens of feminism. My view of gender certainly overlaps with feminism, draws upon some of its assumptions, ideas and concepts of social history, but also rejects just as many. The issue of gender is not divided into feminist vs traditionalist, it's far more complex than that- and some of us reject core assumptions and agendas of both, or find large aspects of both invalid. You seem to be responding to me with arguments I've already made- perhaps because you're challenging an assumed perspective that I don't actually have, but which you've been encouraged to see in anything disagreeing even slightly with your own?
 
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Do you really think that kind of thing ("man behavior" :lol: ) is what defines you as a man?

If we are not allowed, by society, to act that way, it's taking away part of us, yes. I'm not saying all men have to act like brutes but neither should we be kept from it. Sometimes we really do just want pizza, beer and a ball game. :p
 
Do you really think that kind of thing ("man behavior" :lol: ) is what defines you as a man?

If we are not allowed, by society, to act that way, it's taking away part of us, yes. I'm not saying all men have to act like brutes but neither should we be kept from it. Sometimes we really do just want pizza, beer and a ball game. :p

Sure. People establish their gender identity- if they want one at all- in various ways. I identify strongly as "male", but in my own unique way, and with my own idea as to what that now means for me. My concept of "male" or "female" is not defined by any traditional concept of social role, personality, etc, nor is it universal. I know what to me fulfills my identity as "male", but it does not apply to all men by any means, nor would I try to extend it. As Mr. Laser Beam said, some people embrace traditional gender roles, and there is nothing wrong with that. If a man wants to be "a man" in the traditional sense, and finds meaning in that, or a woman wants to be a "traditional" wife and mother, well fine (so long as they aren't imposing that role or ideal on others or suggesting everyone should share their worldview). Ideally, it should be about choice, not about limiting people's options by declaring whole swaths of human behaviour off limits.

I mean, my dream in life is to be a house-husband, to raise children and provide loving emotional support for a breadwinner, career-driven wife who supports us and is fulfilled in her career. But some people insist that to be in the home dependent on your spouse is something no-one could wish for! Nonsense. Neither the traditionally male nor the traditionally female social role is by default bad, nor by default good. It's all about who you are. There are always sacrifices to be made, always fulfillment to be found. The only difference is that in times past you had to make specific sacrifices due to gender and so many people were sadly unfulfilled and frustrated. You just have to possess the freedom to match your personal strengths and character to a role (or switch betwen them if you can, and want to). My generation is priviliged to, on the whole, possess that freedom, which our ancestors could not afford. And it is privilige, not entitlement. Our society has managed to prosper enough that we can choose, not bury our individuality under ideals of duty and neccessity. Preserving such a society is also an on-going effort, which is why I say we should never assume that we have any "right" or entitlement to these personal freedoms- we instead have need to keep society stable and prosperous so we don't fall back into the necessities-of-survival model.

Suggesting that "manliness" or the equivalent "feminine" role are by default bad not only limits choice but is dangerous to humanity's prosperity- we need these aspects of our race to thrive. It was the "manliness" subculture that built- and builds- the bridges and houses and churches and roads and dams all around us, which catches the fish and mines the raw materials and defends our homes. And it was the stereotypically feminine, demonstrative, nurturing role that allowed our children to thrive and tied our families together. And if someone wants to align their gender identity with their personal preferences and embrace tradition, that's all well and good- just as it should be well and good to totally sunder gender identity from traditional social roles and assumptions. :) Just because we no longer have to be traditional, doesn't mean we can't choose to be.
 
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Do you really think that kind of thing ("man behavior" :lol: ) is what defines you as a man?

If we are not allowed, by society, to act that way, it's taking away part of us, yes. I'm not saying all men have to act like brutes but neither should we be kept from it. Sometimes we really do just want pizza, beer and a ball game. :p
The point is that there's nothing "manly" about pizza, beer and a ball game!
 
After further research, I've learned that oxytocin's half-life in the bloodstream is about three minutes.

Crisis averted. It would only be five or so minutes of snuggling and empathy, then the return of "Get your bitch a$$ back in the kitchen and bake me a pie!"

Unless someone comes out with a sustained release version.
 
After further research, I've learned that oxytocin's half-life in the bloodstream is about three minutes.

Crisis averted. It would only be five or so minutes of snuggling and empathy, then the return of "Get your bitch a$$ back in the kitchen and bake me a pie!"

Unless someone comes out with a sustained release version.

So the product is pointless as well as potentially questionable?

Truly a wise use of time, money and research. :)
 
After further research, I've learned that oxytocin's half-life in the bloodstream is about three minutes.

Crisis averted. It would only be five or so minutes of snuggling and empathy, then the return of "Get your bitch a$$ back in the kitchen and bake me a pie!"

Unless someone comes out with a sustained release version.

Ah! - so it will only work if it comes in a can that fits into one of those 'room deodorizer'-thingies that sprays it out every few minutes (or indeed; if it is in the AC system)
 
After further research, I've learned that oxytocin's half-life in the bloodstream is about three minutes.

Crisis averted. It would only be five or so minutes of snuggling and empathy, then the return of "Get your bitch a$$ back in the kitchen and bake me a pie!"

Unless someone comes out with a sustained release version.

Ah! - so it will only work if it comes in a can that fits into one of those 'room deodorizer'-thingies that sprays it out every few minutes (or indeed; if it is in the AC system)

I wonder what the effect would be on someone such as myself who is already very demonstrative. I'll be bouncing around hugging people like Barney the Dinosaur, no doubt...
 
Every day I wake up thinking it's the 21st Century, and every day I'm reminded it's still the 1950s.

All I have to say to that is this: if being a "21st century man" means being a wimpy, pussified Demolition Man-style whiner with no junk and no allowed "man behavior", then the 1950's aren't looking so bad after all.
Are you a Redneck? Because those are the people who consider civilized adults to be wimpy and pussified. People are individuals and should act us such, not as throwbacks to a primitive era of crippling gender stereotypes.
 
There's already a product on the market that will make men want to touch women more. It's called a treadmill.:guffaw:
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Because those are the people who consider civilized adults to be wimpy and pussified. People are individuals and should act us such, not as throwbacks to a primitive era of crippling gender stereotypes.
There's a difference between being civilized and being a milquetoast.
Okay, General Ross. :rommie:
 
QUOTE=Yeoman Randi;4038326]Cripes. I need to read more slowly. Once again i misread the title and thought it said, “Should Oxycotin be banned?” To wit, my answer would have been NO!!!!!
I assume you mean OxyContin. That's what I thought at first too! The names of the two drugs are easy to confuse.

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Yes, that was what i meant. Stupid letter n. Thank you! :bolian:

Oh, and I really don't think MLB meant his statements to be read the way people are reading them. Just my two cents. And i'm not in the mood for a fight, so don't pick on me now. :eek:
 
Ha...I thought this was an Oxycontin thread too!

Anyway, the introduction of ANY non-natural hormones into the human body is something I have grave concerns about--especially for frivolous purposes. Even the administration of estrogen to women in menopause has proven dangerous to the health, and I would be concerned about what this could do to anyone who takes this into their body without very close medical supervision.

Now, IF this thing were somehow cleared for personal use (and personally I would think this would be a VERY small possibility because my instinct is that this is not physically healthy)--I would be very much against a woman giving a man any sort of drug without his express, informed, uncoerced consent. If we accept that women should not be given drugs without their consent, for sexual gratification of a man, then the same principle MUST work; the rights of men must also be respected. Now if a man FREELY decided he wanted to try this, then I would not interfere with his right to choose. But it must be HIS decision, not anyone else's.

Again, though--I do not think it likely that this would ever be acceptable, for reasons of physical health to anyone who is taking in hormones their body is not producing for itself.
 
Anyway, the introduction of ANY non-natural hormones into the human body is something I have grave concerns about--especially for frivolous purposes.

. . . Now, IF this thing were somehow cleared for personal use (and personally I would think this would be a VERY small possibility because my instinct is that this is not physically healthy)--I would be very much against a woman giving a man any sort of drug without his express, informed, uncoerced consent.

. . . I do not think it likely that this would ever be acceptable, for reasons of physical health to anyone who is taking in hormones their body is not producing for itself.
Oxytocin IS a natural hormone produced by the brains of both sexes, though women normally have it in larger amounts than men. It can't be taken orally because it breaks down in the digestive tract, so it must be injected or inhaled. Right now, there are numerous websites legally selling the stuff online with no prescription required. Whether that's ethical or not is another matter.
 
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