I'm all about sleeping afterwords.
Should Oxytocin be Banned?
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I'm all about sleeping afterwords.
Every day I wake up thinking it's the 21st Century, and every day I'm reminded it's still the 1950s.
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It looks to me like a mind altering drug that is being marketed for recreational use.
Whether the effects are benign or harmful is totally a question of volition.
I'd certainly hope that any use of this drug on a person against their wishes would be punished as severely as if it were spiking someone's drink with ecstasy.
Whether the effects are benign or harmful is totally a question of volition.
I'd certainly hope that any use of this drug on a person against their wishes would be punished as severely as if it were spiking someone's drink with ecstasy.
Yes. I agree with this.
And I'm quite offended by this idea that men are less caring or emotional than women. Bull***t. It's simply that many men do not show their feelings as openly as women- that does not in any way mean they are not attuned to other's feelings or experiencing those feelings themselves. Unfortunately, many people are so lacking in empathy that they do not comprehend that just because one doesn't show feelings openly, that doesn't mean they are not present. It's like a baby's view of the universe- if they can't see it they assume it doesn't exist. You don't have to throw your feelings around all over the place to achieve true and meaningful emotional connection. I personally do demonstrate affection frequently, along with every other emotion, but that's just me. And there's nothing wrong with a far more stoic approach.
So this spray will not and cannot make people more caring or "more attuned to other's feelings". It sounds to me like what this spray does do is remove inhibitions and encourage the relaxation of a person's typical personal boundaries- so basically it's like getting someone drunk.
Of course, drugging people- particularly males- to needlessly alter behaviour is nothing new. What percentage of American boys are on Ritalin again?
PS: I think this is the sort of thing Mr. Laser Beam was protesting- the attitude that certain perfectly healthy behaviours, particularly those demonstrated by males, are in modern Western culture (particularly many parts of America) increasingly seen as pathological and in need of "correction".
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I've got it! We're all going to make millions!
We set up a website pushing oxytocin toward women who want to force men to feel romantic.
We also set up a website pushing atosiban toward men who need a chemical countermeasure to women trying to force them to be romantic.
This will be better than scamming the Starbellied Sneeches!
You are a genius, sir.
More seriously, is anyone else annoyed at this:
Somewhat tongue in cheek, I'm sure, but it's still irritating for what it implies. Because that's what men are for, apparently- to make women happy. Yes, let's drug them into being what we currently want them to be- but, oh no!- how will they then do the hard labour and work to make our lives more comfortable?! We have to consider that!! So, the message being given here is, men are nothing more than devices to serve women's needs, and indeed can be reprogrammed at will to suit whatever the woman currently wants. Laugh it off all you will, that's dangerous thinking.
Maybe my "thinking like a baby" comment was quite accurate. Women are seemingly encouraged in our cultures- by articles like this- to truly consider their desires the centre of the universe. It's very worrying.
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Bah, women who really want to feminize their men grind up estrogen pills into their food. By the time they notice what's going, it's too late. 
Real men wear pink anyways.
So this spray will not and cannot make people more caring or "more attuned to other's feelings". It sounds to me like what this spray does do is remove inhibitions and encourage the relaxation of a person's typical personal boundaries- so basically it's like getting someone drunk.
Of course, drugging people- particularly males- to needlessly alter behaviour is nothing new. What percentage of American boys are on Ritalin again?
PS: I think this is the sort of thing Mr. Laser Beam was protesting- the attitude that certain perfectly healthy behaviours, particularly those demonstrated by males, are in modern Western culture (particularly many parts of America) increasingly seen as pathological and in need of "correction".
As long as there is variation in society, there will be fringes to the distribution.
Psychology has a bad habit of automatically treating fringes with disdain, looking down on those fringe regions as 'abnormal' and 'in need of correction'. And after making those corrections, it only succeeds in defining a new fringe, which can come under scrutiny again in 50 years time.
It's rather like the coast line. There will always be one, no matter how much land is given up to the sea.
Some people just can't abide variation.
So this spray will not and cannot make people more caring or "more attuned to other's feelings". It sounds to me like what this spray does do is remove inhibitions and encourage the relaxation of a person's typical personal boundaries- so basically it's like getting someone drunk.
Of course, drugging people- particularly males- to needlessly alter behaviour is nothing new. What percentage of American boys are on Ritalin again?
PS: I think this is the sort of thing Mr. Laser Beam was protesting- the attitude that certain perfectly healthy behaviours, particularly those demonstrated by males, are in modern Western culture (particularly many parts of America) increasingly seen as pathological and in need of "correction".
As long as there is variation in society, there will be fringes to the distribution.
Psychology has a bad habit of automatically treating fringes with disdain, looking down on those fringe regions as 'abnormal' and 'in need of correction'. And after making those corrections, it only succeeds in defining a new fringe, which can come under scrutiny again in 50 years time.
It's rather like the coast line. There will always be one, no matter how much land is given up to the sea.
Some people just can't abide variation.
The worst is when you take people who deviate from the norm and start saying they're mentally ill, so we use drugs, therapy, and behavior modification to make them "better." We should be very careful to distinguish genuine mental illness--as in behaviors and psychological traits that cause real harm to oneself and/or others--from just being "weird."
Indeed. Very well put, Jadzia, thank you.
They used to classify many "feminine" behaviours as pathological- now it appears to be the "masculine" behaviour's turn.
There always seems to be something people are obsessed with eradicating, no matter the cost.
I mean, imagine if all men were non-stoic, tearful, demonstrative, quiet, outwardly sensitive and lacking in stereotypical "manliness". Who would then build the houses and engage in other labour that depends on stoic strength rather than sitting around discussing feelings? This is part of the problem- Westerners in many areas are so dissassociated from effort and struggle and sacrifice they seem to think shopping for shoes and discussing the intricacies of personal feelings are "normal".
We need many of the qualities associated with traditional manliness. The only difference is that gender should no longer be an issue- plenty of men aren't like that and many women are, so men shouldn't be expected to be that way if not inclined, and women who are inclined should equally not be confined by traditional attitudes.
From another point of view, it reminds me of the witches' love spells/potions. In those old stories, it is always a bitter-sweet reward for the witch, because she knows that whatever affection the man shows her is drug/magic induced, and is never really sincere.
The moral of the tale is that if you are to love someone, then you should be loving them for who they are, and not for what you can make them do.
The moral of the tale is that if you are to love someone, then you should be loving them for who they are, and not for what you can make them do.
But he won't act like one, and therefore won't really "be" one. That's basically what this chemical does. Assuming it works, or is even real, which is not exactly certain.
All I have to say to that is this: if being a "21st century man" means being a wimpy, pussified Demolition Man-style whiner with no junk and no allowed "man behavior", then the 1950's aren't looking so bad after all.
Yes, that's exactly what it means.
Cripes. I need to read more slowly. Once again i misread the title and thought it said, "Should Oxycotin be banned?" To wit, my answer would have been NO!!!!!
Now i have to go back and read everything more slowly......which would be easier to do if i had some oxycotin.
Now i have to go back and read everything more slowly......which would be easier to do if i had some oxycotin.
That's a really embarassing statement for you to make. Do you really think that kind of thing ("man behavior"
) is what defines you as a man?
Are you kidding? Putting aside the myriad ways, both insidious and blatant, in which women in our society, to their detriment, are "encouraged" to conform to mens' and society's desires and assumptions about them, this article itself does little more than promote pervasive gender stereotypes that are offensive to both men and women. The passage you posted goes much further toward infantalizing women than it does men.
