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Should Kirk be bisexual?
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Kindly beam back to whatever small town, cousin-lovvin backwater you came from.
Oh and Pine yes. Shatner no, soz!
Should Kirk be bisexual?
No.
Kirk's straight. That's why. Why is that so hard to accept? There are any number of gay and bi characters in fiction, sci-fi or otherwise. We still need some unapologetically hetrosexual icons without any hint of irony or suggestion. Kirk is one of those icons.
Have Luke Skywalker if you like. Hell, have Han Solo. Hands off Kirk.
No.
Kirk's straight. That's why. Why is that so hard to accept? There are any number of gay and bi characters in fiction, sci-fi or otherwise. We still need some unapologetically hetrosexual icons without any hint of irony or suggestion. Kirk is one of those icons.
Have Luke Skywalker if you like. Hell, have Han Solo. Hands off Kirk.
I am gay, and would love to finally have ST finally embrace a gay character on screen. I don't think going that route with an established het character is the way to go about it. Introducing a new gay character in the next movie would be the way to go imo. Preferably a gay man or men instead of going the safe predicatable route of the hot lesbian.
That said, I can see the appeal of Kirk being with a guy or androgynous alien. And yeah, the idea of Kirk/Spock is now hotter than ever, but it'll never happen on screen so no use getting too worked up no matter what side you're on.
On the subject of hetero male icons....is there really a shortage of those? Outside of Captain Jack and Ianto of Torchwood I'm at a loss to think of another positive prominant gay male character in sci-fi. I would be just as excited as Whoppi was to see Uhura to finally see somebody like me in Star Trek.
That said, I can see the appeal of Kirk being with a guy or androgynous alien. And yeah, the idea of Kirk/Spock is now hotter than ever, but it'll never happen on screen so no use getting too worked up no matter what side you're on.
On the subject of hetero male icons....is there really a shortage of those? Outside of Captain Jack and Ianto of Torchwood I'm at a loss to think of another positive prominant gay male character in sci-fi. I would be just as excited as Whoppi was to see Uhura to finally see somebody like me in Star Trek.
Well, I hope Kirk doesn't become bisexual, because if that happens I'm instantly not a fan of this Trek.
I understand tolerance, but please understand not all of us approve of bi or homo sexual lifestyles. And we have the right to our own views, thank you.
Agreed.
Besides, it's not as if bisexual is such a taboo these days, perhaps ten years ago... Nowadays most people understand that it's not strange to be homo- or bi-sexual.
I like this designation! TOS, with the rest pruned away, right?TOS Pruniverse.
Why? Because it might be true?
Like it or not, there are some variables in people's family lives and upbringing that do seem to bring forward a higher probability that they will express homosexuality. Or a preference for boxers or briefs. Or a particular political view. Or even whether they like Star Trek or not.
Truth is truth.
But the important thing is that these are still no reason to condemn anyone - they aren't invalid choices, just because they were made based on what a person has or hasn't been exposed to.
In fact, none of us can make them any other way.
If it seems insulting it might be because it implies that, under other circumstances, they'd be wholly straight or gay. But what they would miss is that the reverse is also true - folks who are wholly straight or wholly gay, had they lived different lives, might be bi. Who can say?
Old Trek had Kirk/Spock fanfic. New Trek can have Kirk/Spock/Uhura fanfic.
It already does.
Omnisexual James T. Kirk works for me. As does Kirk/Spock/Uhura. I doubt we'll ever see it on screen, though. In reality, IDIC doesn't seem the way of the majority of fanboys. Shame...
Actually Captain Jack and Ianto are clearly bisexual.
I am sure there has to be some gay male characters in scifi (film/tv) but I honestly don't know a one.
Nothing wrong with lesbians.
But on Trek's history we have at least seen women on women. Not to mention that with a primary cast that includes 6 males and one women the odds are more in favor of one of the male characters being bisexual or gay. I also don't think we have any evidence of Sulu preference. I believe every other character was shown with another person of the opposite sex.
We have yet to see examples of any male/male coupling. And frankly with a lot of modern Trek, and a host of reoccuring characters its actually kind of shocking, that a show that has been awarded for its full history of inclusion that it hasn't.
I'd love it if Kirk was bisexual.
It amazes me how closed-minded certain Trek fans are. It's almost embarrassing.
People say "if you need to make a gay character, make a new one"
But if that was done they'd say "why are you shoe-horning in new gay characters? Focus on the real ones!"
Gay characters and Star Trek have been a no-win scenario for too long.
Although I don't think we've had a single gay character on Lost have we?
It amazes me how closed-minded certain Trek fans are. It's almost embarrassing.
People say "if you need to make a gay character, make a new one"
But if that was done they'd say "why are you shoe-horning in new gay characters? Focus on the real ones!"
Gay characters and Star Trek have been a no-win scenario for too long.
Although I don't think we've had a single gay character on Lost have we?
If we find out Kirk's bi in a later film, I'm rewatching this movie again but looking at his fight scenes in a whole new light!
And his interaction with Spock ...
Oh that's right, i went there.
Why does anyone need to approve/disapprove of someone else's sexuality? In my view, controlling or disapproving of two consenting adults attraction for each other is really sad. How does it affect others when two people of the same gender get together?
On to the original topic. Kirk is straight.
As much as I would love to see Chris Pine get into bed with another man, I just don't think it would make sense to take that approach. Roddenberry's Kirk was, as already mentioned, was the ultimate womanizer and everything we saw in this movie certainly implied that this was not one of the things that Abrams changed. He was depicted hitting on women quite regularly - were he bisexual, I imagine he would've flirted with a man at some point as well. You could argue that we just didn't get to see it, but alas I don't think it fits with the characterization.
There's no reason Abrams couldn't have gone that route, as I think the OP is right in saying it would be a nice twist on the character, but I think it's a case of too late.
There's no reason Abrams couldn't have gone that route, as I think the OP is right in saying it would be a nice twist on the character, but I think it's a case of too late.
Yeah, Jack and Ianto in Torchwood are bi. So "real" gay men in sci-fi? Pretty much non-existant.
Lost has had a very gay cameos, it was completely blink and you'd miss it. I find that irritating considering what a large diverse cast Lost has, yet no gay characters.
I read an interview sometime last year with a couple of gay guys who were I think on the STXI writing staff, talking about how they - and Abrams - wanted to do something with a gay character in STXII. But I expect that something will just be a cameo moment, like a same sex couple in the background or something, or a minor gay supporting character. I doubt outing Kirk was their plan.
Lost has had a very gay cameos, it was completely blink and you'd miss it. I find that irritating considering what a large diverse cast Lost has, yet no gay characters.
I read an interview sometime last year with a couple of gay guys who were I think on the STXI writing staff, talking about how they - and Abrams - wanted to do something with a gay character in STXII. But I expect that something will just be a cameo moment, like a same sex couple in the background or something, or a minor gay supporting character. I doubt outing Kirk was their plan.
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