Should Kirk be bisexual?

[PKTrekGirl]

But we have our bigots as well. Clearly.

Call another poster a bigot again, and you'll have a warning.

End of discussion.

No more friendlies. Nothing. Just a one-way ticket to Warningville.

 

[Alex1939]

Regardless, I hope everyone is realistic enough to know this would kill the ratings and nuTrek.

It would turn off too much of the demographic. Myself included.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

TLS, let's drop this conversation, please.

Torchwood is off topic. And as I said in my previous post, they have a right to put whatever they like in their show...but no one can force you to like it. Or watch it.

That's really all the explanation that is necessary here in this thread.

Thanks.

PT, sorry, I just responded to what someone else said about Torchwood. Hopefully I made my point clear on Trek in the post above in a respectful, even handed manner.

Yep. I get it.

But you've said your bit - taken your stand. And I think it's probably best if we left it at that.

Guys...I'm instructing TLS to not turn this into a argument over Christian morality, and I'm instructing the rest of you to back off with the attacks.

We are all entitled to our opinions on this matter. And unless you want to see this thread closed faster than a speeding bullet, I suggest you ALL back off: from preaching at other posters AND from piling on posters you don't agree with because their views on this issue are different from your own.

I am not going to spend all week doing paperwork for warnings issued in this thread. So take my word for it: if this thread continues along these lines, I'll lock it down.

No problem here. I am going to be up front and say that when a thread like this is opened I feel I am entitled to give my opinion in a reasonable manner. Hopefully that's not a problem as long as I don't engage in a war with opposite minded posters.

Oh, and could you explain this "paperwork" please? She's got you writing reports now?

 

[T'Paul]

Torchwood is off topic. And as I said in my previous post, they have a right to put whatever they like in their show...but no one can force you to like it. Or watch it.

The thread title is "Should Kirk be bisexual?". Torchwood, a sci-fi show, has a bisexual main character. I think that Torchwood is extremely on topic in this thread.

 

[T'Paul]

No problem here. I am going to be up front and say that when a thread like this is opened I feel I am entitled to give my opinion in a reasonable manner. Hopefully that's not a problem as long as I don't engage in a war with opposite minded posters.

Oh, and could you explain this "paperwork" please? She's got you writing reports now?

I thought you were reasonable with everything you said.

I'm not sure what the point of a web forum is if you aren't allowed to reasonably discuss topics that we are obviously interested in discussing.

 

[dudley]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

Yes. Or perhaps he should be trisexual like Andy Dick recently claimed he is. Story be damned, let's try and break as many social taboos as possible, shall we?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Not all fans mind you. I know many, many progressive normal people who loved this movie.

But we have our bigots as well. Clearly.

Of course, just as in any sort of grouping of people.

But then again, Star Trek is a show that's aired *now*, not in the future. So we obviously won't see everyone running around in the nude because they've done away with prudeness.

But how can certain Star Trek "fans" be so very against the very PHILOSOPHY behind it???

I could understand MAINSTREAM people not wanting a gay character. I.e. the people they wanted to attract with this movie. But real FANS should embrace IDIC.

Yet another unacceptable post.

Since you posted it before I gave you the friendly, I'll let it slide. But any further comments in judgment over whether someone else is a 'True Fan', simply because they do not agree with YOU on a VERY controversial social issue (at least in the US, where TLS lives) will net you a warning.

My suggestion? Get out while the gettin' is good. Because I will NOT have this thread turn into a pile-on.

EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion. And everyone is entitled to live their lives in line with their opinions and religious beliefs.

You don't have to agree with them. But on this board, you do NOT have the right to name-call and pile on.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

I don't think bisexuality is such a problem with most of the viewers nowadays.

But what about prostitution? It's the oldest job and should continue for a while longer. Not all members of the crew might be as lucky as to have outlet opportunities; perhaps there's a prostitute on board? If so, then what position should she have? Should prostitution be her official job, or should she have a day-job next to it?

Edit: Of course, it could also be a he. I'm so blind sometimes.

 

[T'Paul]

But how can certain Star Trek "fans" be so very against the very PHILOSOPHY behind it???

I could understand MAINSTREAM people not wanting a gay character. I.e. the people they wanted to attract with this movie. But real FANS should embrace IDIC.

I liked "The Birth of a Nation" but that doesn't mean I subscribe to the philosophy behind it.

 

[QuasarVM]

No.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Torchwood is off topic. And as I said in my previous post, they have a right to put whatever they like in their show...but no one can force you to like it. Or watch it.

The thread title is "Should Kirk be bisexual?". Torchwood, a sci-fi show, has a bisexual main character. I think that Torchwood is extremely on topic in this thread.

Thanks for the input.

Nevertheless, Torchwood is not the subject of this forum. Nor of this thread. And frankly, this forum is bursting at the seams right now with ON-topic posting.

If you would like to post about Torchwood, my suggestion is that you go find the Doctor Who forum (subforum of the Scifi & Fantasy Forum, several doors down). There are many members there who love to chat about the show.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

No problem here. I am going to be up front and say that when a thread like this is opened I feel I am entitled to give my opinion in a reasonable manner. Hopefully that's not a problem as long as I don't engage in a war with opposite minded posters.

Oh, and could you explain this "paperwork" please? She's got you writing reports now?

I thought you were reasonable with everything you said.

I'm not sure what the point of a web forum is if you aren't allowed to reasonably discuss topics that we are obviously interested in discussing.

And I am fine with your points, even if we disagree. I think the mods just want to keep a tight reign on things. If that's the case though they shouldn't allow sensitive topics like this except for in TNZ.

 

[T'Paul]

Torchwood is off topic. And as I said in my previous post, they have a right to put whatever they like in their show...but no one can force you to like it. Or watch it.

The thread title is "Should Kirk be bisexual?". Torchwood, a sci-fi show, has a bisexual main character. I think that Torchwood is extremely on topic in this thread.

Thanks for the input.

Nevertheless, Torchwood is not the subject of this forum. Nor of this thread. And frankly, this forum is bursting at the seams right now with ON-topic posting.

If you would like to post about Torchwood, my suggestion is that you go find the Doctor Who forum (subforum of the Scifi & Fantasy Forum, several doors down). There are many members there who love to chat about the show.

So if we're talking about Star Trek's performance at the box office, we aren't allowed to compare it to the Star Wars prequels?

I think you're taking this segregation thing way too far.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

Yes. Or perhaps he should be trisexual like Andy Dick recently claimed he is. Story be damned, let's try and break as many social taboos as possible, shall we?

Okay...this is not at all necessary either.

Guys...seriously. I'm liking the direction of this thread less and less every minute.

But then, this thread had 'This Will Not End Well' written all over it, from the start. *sigh*

 

[Lumen]

I've changed my mind. Kirk should be bisexual.

Has it ever been established that Spock is a man?

 

[Alex1939]

I don't think bisexuality is such a problem with most of the viewers nowadays.

But what about prostitution? It's the oldest job and should continue for a while longer. Not all members of the crew might be as lucky as to have outlet opportunities; perhaps there's a prostitute on board? If so, then what position should she have? Should prostitution be her official job, or should she have a day-job next to it?

Edit: Of course, it could also be a he. I'm so blind sometimes.

You know, sexuality really shouldn't be Star Trek's focus. It never has been. There are plenty of other series that can do that.

And, I disagree with your first statement, for a science fiction audience in general.

 

[T'Paul]

I don't think bisexuality is such a problem with most of the viewers nowadays.

But what about prostitution? It's the oldest job and should continue for a while longer. Not all members of the crew might be as lucky as to have outlet opportunities; perhaps there's a prostitute on board? If so, then what position should she have? Should prostitution be her official job, or should she have a day-job next to it?

Edit: Of course, it could also be a he. I'm so blind sometimes.

You know, sexuality really shouldn't be Star Trek's focus. It never has been. There are plenty of other series that can do that.

And, I disagree with your first statement, for a science fiction audience in general.

It may not be Star Trek's focus, but by making the characters heterosexual by default the issue automatically comes up.

 

[Finnegan]

James Kirk has broken social taboos before but there are some places that even Star Trek has not yet been bold enough to go.
Star Trek was revolutionary in it's day and should be so again.
Capt. Kirk's libido should know no bounds, regardless of race, gender or species!

So what do you think? Could Star Trek possibly follow in the footsteps of Doctor Who and Torchwood in fighting prejudice and challenging perceptions or is this new Star Trek not as modern as we're told?

Why? Would you hit it?
Queens never cease to amaze

What a disaster of an idea. I'd rather they killed the character off for good, never to reappear, than make this iconic character "gay". What a bunch of B.S. Must everything--every childhood idol, every piece of entertainment, every facet of heterosexuality and masculinity be turned on it's head to satisfy some militant homosexual PC agenda? Modern? Nothing can be "modern" now unless it's gay? Revolutionary? Star Trek cannot be "revolutionary" anymore unless Kirk is depicted on his knees at some 23rd century glory hole? The mind truly boggles....

 

[Awesome Possum]

I really think that the new movie series should have a gay or bisexual character, but not Kirk. The man is known for a few things, captain of the Enterprise, cocky as all hell, and seducer of anything with female genitals. You could make him bisexual, but it would feel like they just tacked it on to send a message.

It works with Captain Jack because that is how we were introduced to him, he is the bi(or whatever)sexual Captain Kirk. He is one of the best things about Doctor Who since it came back, it just wouldn't work with Kirk.

 

[borgboy]

Star Trek is kind of known for being sexy. Everybody knows Kirk sleeps with lots of alien women, so it's a little late to try and say no sex in ST.