Should JJ Abrams direct Star Trek 4?

[fireproof78]

Reasons why JJ should be involved with ST 4 ( based on the 1967 Writer's Guide)

I. Build your episode on an action-adventure frame-
work. We must reach out, hold and entertain
a mass audience of some 20.,000,000 people or we
simply don't stay on the air.

II. Tell your story about people, not about science
and gadgetry. Joe Friday doesn't stop to explain
the mechanics of his .38 before he uses it; Kildare
never did a monologue about the theory of anes-
thetics; Matt Dillon never identifies and dis-
cusses the breed of his horse before he rides
off on it.

THE TEASER
We open with action, always establishing a strong
jeopardy, need, or other “hook". It is not
necessary to establish all the back story in the
teaser. Instead, we tantalize the audience with
a promise of excitement to come. For example,
it can be as simple as everyone tense on the
bridge, hunting down a marauding enemy ship...
then a tale-telling blip is sighted on the screen.
and the Captain orders “ALL HANDS TO BATTLE STATIONS."
Fade out, that's enough

STYLE
We maintain a fast pace ... avoid long philosophical
exchanges or tedious explanations of equipment.

And note that our cutting technique is to use the
shortest possible time between idea and execution
of it .., like, for instance, Kirk decides that a
landing party will transport down to a planet ...
HARD CUT to lights blinking on the Transporter
console, PULL BACK to REVEAL the landing party
stepping into the Transporter.

I think JJ and hopefully, JL gets it.

What's that? Why yes, I do hear the sound of a can of worms being opened. Why?

But, this also reinforces my opinion that Abrams did nothing different with Trek than had been done before.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Reasons why JJ should be involved with ST 4 ( based on the 1967 Writer's Guide)

I. Build your episode on an action-adventure frame-
work. We must reach out, hold and entertain
a mass audience of some 20.,000,000 people or we
simply don't stay on the air.

STYLE
We maintain a fast pace ... avoid long philosophical
exchanges or tedious explanations of equipment.

And note that our cutting technique is to use the
shortest possible time between idea and execution
of it .., like, for instance, Kirk decides that a
landing party will transport down to a planet ...
HARD CUT to lights blinking on the Transporter
console, PULL BACK to REVEAL the landing party
stepping into the Transporter.

I think JJ and hopefully, JL gets it.

What's that? Why yes, I do hear the sound of a can of worms being opened. Why?

But, this also reinforces my opinion that Abrams did nothing different with Trek than had been done before.

Well I can say this at least he didn't have Spock talking about shift rotations.(Going to avoid the worms.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

What's that? Why yes, I do hear the sound of a can of worms being opened. Why?

But, this also reinforces my opinion that Abrams did nothing different with Trek than had been done before.

It's on topic!!!

The worm cans are self sealing

 

[johnjm22]

ST2009 was mediocre, and STID was terrible, but that doesn't mean things can't be turned around.

DS9 sucked the first 2 seasons, but it was salvaged. TNG also.

Now if JJ comes back to direct, then I have no faith him getting things on the right track. He's too focused on nostalgia and action for the sake of action.

 

[eyeresist]

In the article the writer says that so many later films such as Nemisis tried to emulate TWOK because of TWOKs popularity. He doesn't think that its necessary to do that. But STID unfortunately did instead of going a different route. The writer worte the article before he saw STID. I wonder what he would say about STIDs emulation of Star Treks most popular film TWOK.

I think people are too quick to accuse films of being TWOK rip-offs. TWOK does not have the monopoly on good guys versus a scheming villain!

 

[TRON JA307020]

ST2009 was mediocre, and STID was terrible, but that doesn't mean things can't be turned around.

DS9 sucked the first 2 seasons, but it was salvaged. TNG also.

Now if JJ comes back to direct, then I have no faith him getting things on the right track. He's too focused on nostalgia and action for the sake of action.

Yeah I agree with you 100%. I really think Pegg and Lin will give us something good for the third. Some drama mixed with action and maybe more time on a alien world. I think we will see the crew morph into what they would have been if the Narda didn't mess things up. JJ has moved on to other things so I don't think he will be coming back. He seems to stick with a series for 1 or 2 movies then move on to something new. He probably wants to be known for more than one major property.

 

[Franklin]

ST2009 was mediocre, and STID was terrible, but that doesn't mean things can't be turned around.

DS9 sucked the first 2 seasons, but it was salvaged. TNG also.

Now if JJ comes back to direct, then I have no faith him getting things on the right track. He's too focused on nostalgia and action for the sake of action.

Yeah I agree with you 100%. I really think Pegg and Lin will give us something good for the third. Some drama mixed with action and maybe more time on a alien world. I think we will see the crew morph into what they would have been if the Narda didn't mess things up. JJ has moved on to other things so I don't think he will be coming back. He seems to stick with a series for 1 or 2 movies then move on to something new. He probably wants to be known for more than one major property.

I hope this doesn't dim your optimism, but Abrams has hardly moved on. He's not directing, but he's still producing. The fingerprints of Abrams and Bad Robot will still be all over this movie.

 

[johnjm22]

ST2009 was mediocre, and STID was terrible, but that doesn't mean things can't be turned around.

DS9 sucked the first 2 seasons, but it was salvaged. TNG also.

Now if JJ comes back to direct, then I have no faith him getting things on the right track. He's too focused on nostalgia and action for the sake of action.

Yeah I agree with you 100%. I really think Pegg and Lin will give us something good for the third. Some drama mixed with action and maybe more time on a alien world. I think we will see the crew morph into what they would have been if the Narda didn't mess things up. JJ has moved on to other things so I don't think he will be coming back. He seems to stick with a series for 1 or 2 movies then move on to something new. He probably wants to be known for more than one major property.

I hope this doesn't dim your optimism, but Abrams has hardly moved on. He's not directing, but he's still producing. The fingerprints of Abrams and Bad Robot will still be all over this movie.

Even though I don't like the stuff JJ has done as a director (not just ST, pretty much everything), I don't necessarily have a problem with him being a producer. I'm sure he can come up with some good ideas.

In film, producers have varying degrees of influence. It can range quite widely.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yeah I agree with you 100%. I really think Pegg and Lin will give us something good for the third. Some drama mixed with action and maybe more time on a alien world. I think we will see the crew morph into what they would have been if the Narda didn't mess things up. JJ has moved on to other things so I don't think he will be coming back. He seems to stick with a series for 1 or 2 movies then move on to something new. He probably wants to be known for more than one major property.

I hope this doesn't dim your optimism, but Abrams has hardly moved on. He's not directing, but he's still producing. The fingerprints of Abrams and Bad Robot will still be all over this movie.

Even though I don't like the stuff JJ has done as a director (not just ST, pretty much everything), I don't necessarily have a problem with him being a producer. I'm sure he can come up with some good ideas.

In film, producers have varying degrees of influence. It can range quite widely.

Ah yeah I forgot that Abrams was producing. But I figure it this way if he is a executive producer his contributions will be minimal. Also he will be promoting Star Wars for the next several months while Pegg and Lin will be filming ST3 so I have a feeling anything contributions that Abrams will have will probably not even really be anything of note.

 

[Dukhat]

^LOL, yes, by all means keep thinking that.

 

[TRON JA307020]

^LOL, yes, by all means keep thinking that.

I think the director and writer will have the greatest influence on this film rather than a producer. Spielberg produced the later Jurassic Park films and he obviously didn't have much of a hand in them. It really depends on Abrams and how much he wants to be involved. I think SW will be taking a lot of his time during the ST shooting schedule in the next few months. I guess the next few months when we get information on STB we will get a better idea of his involvement.

 

[BillJ]

^LOL, yes, by all means keep thinking that.

I think the director and writer will have the greatest influence on this film rather than a producer. Spielberg produced the later Jurassic Park films and he obviously didn't have much of a hand in them. It really depends on Abrams and how much he wants to be involved. I think SW will be taking a lot of his time during the ST shooting schedule in the next few months. I guess the next few months when we get information on STB we will get a better idea of his involvement.

I imagine if Bad Robot is producing Star Trek Beyond for Paramount, then Abrams fingers will be all over it. Bad Robot is owned by Abrams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Robot_Productions

 

[TRON JA307020]

^LOL, yes, by all means keep thinking that.

I think the director and writer will have the greatest influence on this film rather than a producer. Spielberg produced the later Jurassic Park films and he obviously didn't have much of a hand in them. It really depends on Abrams and how much he wants to be involved. I think SW will be taking a lot of his time during the ST shooting schedule in the next few months. I guess the next few months when we get information on STB we will get a better idea of his involvement.

I imagine if Bad Robot is producing Star Trek Beyond for Paramount, then Abrams fingers will be all over it. Bad Robot is owned by Abrams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Robot_Productions

You have a point there.

 

[Franklin]

His hand has already been in it big time since according to Lin, Abrams called him and told him if he liked "Star Trek", then he should go for it and take the director's chair. With an endorsement like that, how could Lin say no?

 

[Relayer1]

ST2009 was mediocre, and STID was terrible, but that doesn't mean things can't be turned around.

DS9 sucked the first 2 seasons, but it was salvaged. TNG also.

Now if JJ comes back to direct, then I have no faith him getting things on the right track. He's too focused on nostalgia and action for the sake of action.

The hard to quantify yet elusive 'Trekness' can hopefully be found by losing JJ as director and gaining Pegg as writer.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding.

Now if only they could make the Enterprise less 1950's looking outside and less white / brewery-like inside, recast Kirk, Sulu and, sadly, Scotty too...

 

[BillJ]

The hard to quantify yet elusive 'Trekness'...

How can something be lost if you don't even know what it is?

Been watching Star Trek since 1975 and I find more 'Trekness' in the Abrams films than most of the spinoff material.

 

[TRON JA307020]

ST2009 was mediocre, and STID was terrible, but that doesn't mean things can't be turned around.

DS9 sucked the first 2 seasons, but it was salvaged. TNG also.

Now if JJ comes back to direct, then I have no faith him getting things on the right track. He's too focused on nostalgia and action for the sake of action.

The hard to quantify yet elusive 'Trekness' can hopefully be found by losing JJ as director and gaining Pegg as writer.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding.

Now if only they could make the Enterprise less 1950's looking outside and less white / brewery-like inside, recast Kirk, Sulu and, sadly, Scotty too...

I do hope they redo the engine room a bit. I used to do environmental consulting(i.e. Hydrogeology) for industrial companies. Sometimes we would have to drill monitoring wells in factories. I actually did a lot in auto and other manufacturing factories. When I saw the engine room in Trek09 I immediately knew they were using a old 20th century factory. It just seems out of place. Hopefully the refit will remedy that some but I do have my doubts. I guess it really depends on Lin and what as a director he really wants his set pieces to look like.

 

[BillJ]

Hopefully the refit will remedy that some but I do have my doubts. I guess it really depends on Lin and what as a director he really wants his set pieces to look like.

I would imagine money plays a part and whether or not any of the story actually takes place in engineering.

It could be a story where we only have Scotty on the bridge, possibly in command.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The hard to quantify yet elusive 'Trekness'...

How can something be lost if you don't even know what it is?

Been watching Star Trek since 1975 and I find more 'Trekness' in the Abrams films than most of the spinoff material.

Trek Ness is Eliot's misguided younger brother.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Hopefully the refit will remedy that some but I do have my doubts. I guess it really depends on Lin and what as a director he really wants his set pieces to look like.

I would imagine money plays a part and whether or not any of the story actually takes place in engineering.

It could be a story where we only have Scotty on the bridge, possibly in command.

Also if they do not have another space battle we probably wont see engineering.