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Should I join a dating service?

RoJoHen said:
Most couples I know got together during high school, college, or at work. It's rare in my experience that anybody meets outside of those conditions.

And why did they get together in high school, college and at work? Because they always met new people there, increasing their chance to find someone. You won't meet anyone if you work at home and never go out to meet new people. You don't win the lottery by not playing, and you won't grow muscles if you never work out.

And if you go out (or surf the web) specifically looking for a long-term relationship, you will have even less chances. A long-term relationship is a short-term relationship that just happens to never end (yes, even during a marriage, or why do you think is there such a thing as a divorce).
 
RoJoHen said:
Most couples I know got together during high school, college, or at work. It's rare in my experience that anybody meets outside of those conditions.

And why did they get together in high school, college and at work? Because they always met new people there, increasing their chance to find someone. You won't meet anyone if you work at home and never go out to meet new people. You don't win the lottery by not playing, and you won't grow muscles if you never work out.

And if you go out (or surf the web) specifically looking for a long-term relationship, you will have even less chances. A long-term relationship is a short-term relationship that just happens to never end (yes, even during a marriage, or why do you think is there such a thing as a divorce).
I'm not sure what your point is. I am a bartender 50 hours a week, and I go out all the time. I rarely if ever meet new people that are even remotely worth my time, or they just give such bad first impressions that I don't stick around to see if they're worth my time.

The point that I'm making is that with school and work, you already have a common ground with these new people you're interacting with. It's a lot harder to find that common ground when you're just randomly out and about talking to strangers.
 
High standards, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. First impressions are very important. I've had plenty of coworkers that I disliked at first but whose company I grew to enjoy, but the only reason that happened is because I was forced to see them and interact with them all the time. It's hard to do that with a stranger at a bar.
 
High standards, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. First impressions are very important. I've had plenty of coworkers that I disliked at first but whose company I grew to enjoy, but the only reason that happened is because I was forced to see them and interact with them all the time. It's hard to do that with a stranger at a bar.

Wait, you know that your first impression misled you several times, but you still think they are very important?

If people "not worth your time" try to call you back, what do you do?
 
Whatever happened to just having REAL friends that you picked with an eye NOT toward what they could DO for you, but toward genuine common interests and compatible personalities and just plain 'ole LIKING THEM? Whatever happened to just helping someone because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO? And not something you do in order to GET something from them? Does anyone out there even GET that anymore?

Nothing happened. People still have real friends, and people still help each other out of compassion. I'm not sure what that has to do with dating services though.

Apparently she just felt like writing a book length rant.

Well, no one forced you to read it, for one thing. But I was only trying to HELP Emher in my first post, and in my second post (of which only a couple of lines were conveniently taken out of context), I was only trying to relate to another poster's comments about how the social networking sites (including the dating sites, but it extends much further than that) have managed to turn the basic act of meeting people into a commodity to be bought & sold. Which by the way, were alot more authentic posts than was yours, which was simply intended to be mean. :rolleyes:

Which in an odd sort of way, was exactly my point about the anonymity of the internet, since most people would not be as rude as you were to me in real life. Or I would hope not, anyway, given my fundamental desire to help.

And if you would stop to THINK for ten seconds (I mean, about something other than trying to impress the other clever little boyz with your snarky comments from the peanut gallery :rolleyes: ), the fact that the world IS a less personal place than it once was has EVERYTHING to do with internet dating services. In fact, that growing lack of personalization in the world is the very thing that lead to the need for them, not to mention the widespread use of them, and the fact that so many people apparently get burned (financially and otherwise) by them and the people they meet on them.

Somehow, pre-1994, people managed to find each other. Without E-Harmony, Match.com or any of the other sites. We struggled through...meeting people through our jobs, through our other friends, through clubs, churches, synagogues, or whatever. And when we met a person, we met a REAL person. Not a 'persona' on the internet who we had to PAY some OTHER person (or worse - pay a big corporation) to meet and who maybe was/maybe wasn't anything at all like who they said they were on-line.

And I don't care WHAT you say - you learn a lot more about a person via sitting across the table from them and just talking than you do via reviewing their 'profile' on a dating site and hoping they are not a wackjob stalker or something.

So let me connect the dots for you here, buddy...since, in your attempt to be 'clever', you apparently missed the point., while making it at the same time.

Pre-internet world: more personal, with 'brick and mortar' relationships leading to more authentic interaction, whether that be in friendships, business arrangements, or dating.

Post-internet world: more impersonal, leading to commoditization of relationships (such as on dating sites, for one example, but applies to other areas too and is thus part of a larger trend) as well as uncertaintly and lack of trust, since you have no idea as to whether any given person you meet (whether on a dating site or anywhere else on the net) IS who they say they are.

Summary of findings: Better to meet someone through real life channels, if at all possible. You know...like the good 'ole days before the internet. When one had to rely on their real life qualities of kindness, intelligence and generosity to meet new people, make friends, and win hearts....as opposed to now, where 'making up a bunch of clever shit for an internet profile' can get even the scummiest scumbag (who is simply out to get, get, get - or even take, take, take) into the game....at least for a while - often at the expense (both emotional and financial) of a kind soul just trying to make an authentic connection.
 
If all I'm doing is trying to meet random people at a bar, yes.

Why were we trying to meet random people at a bar or any social gathering again? To get to know them and welcome diversity or to judge them based on first impressions against high standards?


Why are people in this thread so strangely calculating when it comes to relationships?
 
I'm just trying to discuss the difficulty in meeting someone outside of school and work when you have no common ground with the people you are engaging. When you eliminate school and work, you pretty much have bars, clubs, and other random social gatherings. In these cases, it can be really hard to just strike up a conversation and hit it off with somebody. It's easier if you're in a school or work setting where you can get to know them better over time. Now, if any of the girls I worked with weren't a) in relationships, b) pregnant, or c) complete morons, I would definitely be willing to make some moves. Unfortunately, there are zero girls at my job that don't fall into at least one of those categories. It's secretly one of the main reasons I'm really anxious to hear back from the job I interviewed for last week. I'd love to be introduced to a whole new pool of people.
 
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Wow, could you possibly generalize any more? :rolleyes: I'm sure there are a few groups of people you haven't insulted yet.

So business as usual for her rants?

What the fuck is your problem? Jeez...if you hate my posts that much, DON'T READ THEM. I don't give a flying fuck.

But is it really necessary to take every opportunity possible in this thread to come after me? I barely even KNOW you, and to my knowledge, have never done anything to hurt you. :(

I see PLENTY of conversations going on in this thread that are not on the very narrow topic of dating sites. But you don't go after the people talking about how they don't meet quality people in bars or whatever - conversations that are going on and on for a couple of pages. Since when, on this board, has every single thread stayed on the original very narrow topic anyway, and not branched into related topics? Especially in the Misc Forum? I don't see anything wrong with discussing other ways of meeting people...or discussing maybe reverting back to the 'older' ways, which were safer and in my OPINION, more personal.

So in light of all the other little convos going on that are offshoots as well, but which you are not taking shots at, I can only assume you have some sort of problem with ME. Which I don't get at all, since I barely know you from Adam.

You have a problem with me? Talk to me about it in a PM so I can at least have the chance to make it right, rather than take potshots at every post I make with this passive aggressive crap.
 
Bartenders are wise.

Also hot.

Agreed and agreed. And I usually find anyone bringing me alcohol to be irresistible. Bartenders are like catnip to me. :rommie:

Then what the hell am I doing wrong?

I don't know but I don't get it either. If I was a girl, you would have to peal me off with a crowbar.



And I have met people in bars before. Actually I have always had good luck in bars. But these days I would rather go to a bar to dance, be with friends and have fun. If I meet someone while I am there it is icing on the cake. But like I said before, I usually have better luck striking up a conversations in public settings. Looking helpless in the produce section of the local supermarket works wonders if done correctly. :bolian:


Oh and Emher, I think you are adorable. Always have actually. I just don't understand why someone hasn't snatched you up yet baby!
 
One important factor in this argument is that, for the vast majority of human history, "couples" were arranged or pre-determined in some fashion. The concept of "meeting someone" in a social setting is fairly new concept.
 
Nothing happened. People still have real friends, and people still help each other out of compassion. I'm not sure what that has to do with dating services though.

Apparently she just felt like writing a book length rant.

Well, no one forced you to read it, for one thing. But I was only trying to HELP Emher in my first post, and in my second post (of which only a couple of lines were conveniently taken out of context), I was only trying to relate to another poster's comments about how the social networking sites (including the dating sites, but it extends much further than that) have managed to turn the basic act of meeting people into a commodity to be bought & sold. Which by the way, were alot more authentic posts than was yours, which was simply intended to be mean. :rolleyes:

Please. All you've done is turn this thread into yet another showcase for your self-pity.

Which in an odd sort of way, was exactly my point about the anonymity of the internet, since most people would not be as rude as you were to me in real life. Or I would hope not, anyway, given my fundamental desire to help.

On the flip side, you probably wouldn't say anything so personal to people you barely know in person, so yeah--there wouldn't really be an invitation to be rude to you.

And if you would stop to THINK for ten seconds (I mean, about something other than trying to impress the other clever little boyz with your snarky comments from the peanut gallery :rolleyes: ), the fact that the world IS a less personal place than it once was has EVERYTHING to do with internet dating services. In fact, that growing lack of personalization in the world is the very thing that lead to the need for them, not to mention the widespread use of them, and the fact that so many people apparently get burned (financially and otherwise) by them and the people they meet on them.

What a tremendous load of bull. I assume this "more personal" time was the one in which mental illness was a mark of shame, it was okay to beat your kids and rape your wife, and anyone who wasn't a straight white Protestant male was an afterthought on the social agenda. Would that be the more "personal" era you're thinking of?

Or how about the '80's, which were epitomized by greed and the pursuit of material wealth. We didn't have Internet dating sites back then and people still managed to be assholes. Go figure.

Are you suggesting people don't put on airs in person, or try on personalities to see what sticks?

Yeah, you can get burned by online dating sites--you can also get burned on blind dates, or dates with people you know well. The Internet has just widened the pool from which people can find a connection. If you're talking about the prevalence of scams, I'm afraid dating sites are just representative of that problem--people need to be more educated and less trusting. It is not an issue limited to dating sites, though.

Somehow, pre-1994, people managed to find each other. Without E-Harmony, Match.com or any of the other sites. We struggled through...meeting people through our jobs, through our other friends, through clubs, churches, synagogues, or whatever. And when we met a person, we met a REAL person. Not a 'persona' on the internet who we had to PAY some OTHER person (or worse - pay a big corporation) to meet and who maybe was/maybe wasn't anything at all like who they said they were on-line.

Well, there are plenty of sites out there that work that you don't have to pay for, so that's not really an issue. If you think "real people" don't put on personas, though, you're fooling yourself.

You're also talking about a time in which you pretty much married the first person who'd have you because you didn't have a very large pool to choose from. Yeah, talk about the good ol' days...

And I don't care WHAT you say - you learn a lot more about a person via sitting across the table from them and just talking than you do via reviewing their 'profile' on a dating site and hoping they are not a wackjob stalker or something.

Uh, well, it would smart to actually interact with that person in some fashion before agreeing to meet them, you know? I would never just read someone's profile and then arrange a meeting. In Internet parlance, "ur doin it wrong."

So let me connect the dots for you here, buddy...since, in your attempt to be 'clever', you apparently missed the point., while making it at the same time.

Pre-internet world: more personal, with 'brick and mortar' relationships leading to more authentic interaction, whether that be in friendships, business arrangements, or dating.

This is just a romantic view of the past. People today have more options than ever. And hey, no one's stopping you from doing it the "brick and mortar" way if that's your thing.

Post-internet world: more impersonal, leading to commoditization of relationships (such as on dating sites, for one example, but applies to other areas too and is thus part of a larger trend) as well as uncertaintly and lack of trust, since you have no idea as to whether any given person you meet (whether on a dating site or anywhere else on the net) IS who they say they are.

I just love the implication that anyone you know from your community is automatically more trustworthy than someone on the Internet. What is this, 1996? Be careful what you tell people and be careful whom you arrange to meet. It's not that hard. But you can just as easily meet a nutjob at church or work.

Summary of findings: Better to meet someone through real life channels, if at all possible. You know...like the good 'ole days before the internet. When one had to rely on their real life qualities of kindness, intelligence and generosity to meet new people, make friends, and win hearts....as opposed to now, where 'making up a bunch of clever shit for an internet profile' can get even the scummiest scumbag (who is simply out to get, get, get - or even take, take, take) into the game....at least for a while - often at the expense (both emotional and financial) of a kind soul just trying to make an authentic connection.

There you go painting with a broad brush again. We can agree on one thing--you should definitely stay off of dating sites, since you have such a cynical view on them and likely wouldn't get anything out of it.

But plenty of people are able to use them successfully and wind up with happy marriages. Or are you telling me they did it wrong and you just know better?
 
Wow, could you possibly generalize any more? :rolleyes: I'm sure there are a few groups of people you haven't insulted yet.

So business as usual for her rants?

What the fuck is your problem? Jeez...if you hate my posts that much, DON'T READ THEM. I don't give a flying fuck.

But is it really necessary to take every opportunity possible in this thread to come after me? I barely even KNOW you, and to my knowledge, have never done anything to hurt you. :(

Because I'm tired of you bashing the shit out of men and then screaming persecution. The utter hatred of men that oozes from your posts is incredibly tiring and certainly offensive. I imagine most people don't call you out because they're afraid they'll get another fifteen paragraph rant from you about how mean men are.

We get it. You've had bad experiences. That doesn't mean every single man in the world is pure evil. Your generalizations about men are sexist pure and simple.
 
Then what the hell am I doing wrong?

I don't know but I don't get it either. If I was a girl, you would have to peal me off with a crowbar.

Well, in all honesty... world view:
Now, if any of the girls I worked with weren't a) in relationships, b) pregnant, or c) complete morons

and attitude:

RoJoHen said:
I rarely if ever meet new people that are even remotely worth my time, or they just give such bad first impressions that I don't stick around to see if they're worth my time.


I've been there, too, and I have been and still am seeing people who think exactly like that and keep wondering why it doesn't work. Stop thinking in weird categories and for God's sake, rethink your standards (and note that I didn't say "lower" your standards).
 
^ So what are saying... he should start dating girls in relationships? Or girls who are pregnant? And I have dated enough morons to know that you shouldn't even bother. And giving a bad first impression would turn me off as well so I am not seeing what the issue is with that either.

Maybe RoJo just needs to find alternative places to meet women. :bolian:

And I know this is not my place but could we be constructive rather than destructive here. Finding someone to have a relationship with is tough for some folks and I think it would be nice to help them here.
 
^ So what are saying... he should start dating girls in relationships? Or girls who are pregnant? And I have dated enough morons to know that you shouldn't even bother. And giving a bad first impression would turn me off as well so I am not seeing what the issue is with that either.

Maybe RoJo just needs to find alternative places to meet women. :bolian:

And I know this is not my place but could we be constructive rather than destructive here. Finding someone to have a relationship with is tough for some folks and I think it would be nice to help them here.

Well, in that case, I need someone who can put up with a guy who washes his hands 30 times a day, and will forever straighten the rug in the living room. :lol:
 
^ So what are saying... he should start dating girls in relationships? Or girls who are pregnant? And I have dated enough morons to know that you shouldn't even bother. And giving a bad first impression would turn me off as well so I am not seeing what the issue is with that either.
Thank you. I mean, really, I have zero options with my current social surroundings, and I don't have the time or the money to invest in other ventures for meeting people.

There was actually a new girl who started working with me a couple months ago that I was attracted to right off the bat (and that doesn't happen to me a whole lot). I was excited and actually wanted to pursue her, but then I found out she had just gotten knocked up by her ex-boyfriend. She's an awesome person, and I really have fun working with her, but that's just not a situation I want to get involved in.

Maybe RoJo just needs to find alternative places to meet women. :bolian:
Bingo. I have exhausted my current resources. I need to find other places to meet people. I've been stuck in the same social scenes for far too long.
 
Don't look at me. We would be fighting for the sink and wearing that rug out. :rommie:

Double sinks will fix the first problem, as for the second, um, I'll straighten it on the right side and you on the left. That way both sides wear out evenly. :D
 
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