Should I Be Ashamed as a TOS fan to like the Rebooted Movies?

[Crazy Eddie]

It seems like those two things aren't compatible.

They are. TOS was an action-oriented scifi adventure series from the 1960s. The Reboot movies are action-oriented scifi adventure films from the 21st century that invoke the same characters and themes of the 60s series, some of the movies based on that series, and very little else.

If anything, it would be incompatible with you being, say, a Voyager fan.

The concept that I liked about the new ones is that they were entertaining and thrilling. Sure, they weren't philosophical.

Sure they were. Just in a very subtle, meaningful way that was intrinsic to the characters and not in a preachy, pretentious way that required one of the characters to make a long impassioned speech about the issues.

That's the main thing I liked about the reboot movies. They were about the CHARACTERS, not about the ships, not about the politics, not really even about the universe. They were about a group of really brave people having crazy adventures in space, who they are, and what they do. Just like TOS.

The only really thrilling movie from the original universe is Star Trek: First Contact.

I dunno, man, I still get a chill watching Kruge stalk the Enterprise in "Search for Spock."

 

[BillJ]

I dunno, man, I still get a chill watching Kruge stalk the Enterprise in "Search for Spock."

The Search for Spock is a very fun movie to watch. Christopher Lloyd made an excellent Klingon.

 

[fireproof78]

They are. TOS was an action-oriented scifi adventure series from the 1960s. The Reboot movies are action-oriented scifi adventure films from the 21st century that invoke the same characters and themes of the 60s series, some of the movies based on that series, and very little else.

If anything, it would be incompatible with you being, say, a Voyager fan.


Sure they were. Just in a very subtle, meaningful way that was intrinsic to the characters and not in a preachy, pretentious way that required one of the characters to make a long impassioned speech about the issues.

That's the main thing I liked about the reboot movies. They were about the CHARACTERS, not about the ships, not about the politics, not really even about the universe. They were about a group of really brave people having crazy adventures in space, who they are, and what they do. Just like TOS.

Well said. This is what I liked about the reboots as well. You are quite correct in your assertion that the philosophical underpinnings and themes of the film were more subtly woven, with the characters taking center stage. I think it gave the actors a lot more freedom to explore the emotions that drove the characters.

Though, on the speech part of things, both Pike and Kirk managed to sneak one in so there was some speeches

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Though, on the speech part of things, both Pike and Kirk managed to sneak one in so there was some speeches

Yes, but I vividly recall that Shatner's big philosophical speeches in TOS were actually the LOW points of most of those episodes. Me and my sister used to joke that Kirk's speeches were so long-winded and annoying that most of his enemies surrendered or self-destructed just so he would shut up.

 

[ancient]

Kirk destroyed several planetary civilizations by speeching at them.

 

[M'Sharak]

If anything, it would be incompatible with you being, say, a Voyager fan.

Can we not do this, please?

There's no good reason for it (even in a topic which proceeds from the rather dubious premise that a fan of TOS might have any cause to be ashamed of liking other Trek.) If you can only comment on one iteration of Trek by taking a roundabout poke at someone who may be a fan of another, then perhaps it's time to consider whether what you had to say was really worth mentioning in the first place.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ What are you, my mother?

No. Seriously. Is that you, Mom? I know you keep telling me to stop picking on dad for being a Voyager fan, but I can't help it, it's just so fucking HILARIOUS to hear him groan.

If he doesn't want me teasing him, he should stop writing all that Kirk/Janeway slash fiction!

 

[ancient]

I've been mortally offended, please send an ambulance and a priest.

 

[johnjm22]

The Search for Spock is a very fun movie to watch. Christopher Lloyd made an excellent Klingon.

Kruge was a fun villain. He had CHARACTER. I enjoy the part where he's sort of making fun of the Federation. I also thought the pet Targ was a nice touch.

 

[The Wormhole]

As a character, Kruge is rather meh, but Christopher Lloyd did an awesome job depicting him. The part when him and Kirk are fighting and Kirk tells him that Genesis is blowing up, I just love the way Lloyd delivers the line "I know, exhilarating isn't it?"

 

[fireproof78]

That was probably one of best moments in the film, and such an incredibly charismatic moments for Kruge.

 

[seigezunt]

As a fan since the days of TAS, I gotta say, nope, you should not have any guilt over a little NuTrek love. While the new films aren't really the TOS I grew up with and love, and they have their flaws, all the movies are flawed in some way. I still enjoy them.

And George Kirk hearing his son's first cries still reduces me to a sobbing mass of jelly in the same way that Kirk's eulogy in TWOK does.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

And George Kirk hearing his son's first cries still reduces me to a sobbing mass of jelly in the same way that Kirk's eulogy in TWOK does.

The entire Kelvin sequence was a concentration almost of everything I have ever liked about Star Trek, and that one moment added extra layers to it. Hooked me from the beginning!

 

[Greg Cox]

The entire Kelvin sequence was a concentration almost of everything I have ever liked about Star Trek, and that one moment added extra layers to it. Hooked me from the beginning!

Agreed. Easily one of the best openings of any STAR TREK movie.

 

[Terok Nor]

I don't think you should be ashamed of anything unless it's illegal or hurtful. As far as I know the only Star Trek property that qualifies for that is the tv series Enterprise.

I don't like what's been done with the JJVerse but Star Trek 2009 is a good movie that I've seen twice and I like it despite my dislike of the JJVerse. Into Darkness is an abomination to me but each to their own. Nothing to be ashamed of if you like the new movies.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I don't think you should be ashamed of anything unless it's illegal or hurtful. As far as I know the only Star Trek property that qualifies for that is the tv series Enterprise.

"These are the Voyages" raped my eyeballs.

I don't like what's been done with the JJVerse...

It's literally two movies and a couple of YA novels. There isn't much to like or dislike other than that. Ergo...

but Star Trek 2009 is a good movie

So you like about half of it.

 

[fireproof78]

Agreed. Easily one of the best openings of any STAR TREK movie.

100% agree on this point.

 

[Greg Cox]

It's literally two movies and a couple of YA novels. There isn't much to like or dislike other than that. Ergo....

Plus, a fair number of comic books.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Abrams filth has no place in decent society. Abrams is the Hitler of the Trek franchise, Bad Robot the Third Reich.

That is correct. I personally do not like the Abrams movies.

It seems like those two things aren't compatible. Yes, TOS is my favorite series.

The concept that I liked about the new ones is that they were entertaining and thrilling. Sure, they weren't philosophical, but that is really hard to do at the same time. Movies are supposed to be thrilling. The only really thrilling movie from the original universe is Star Trek: First Contact.

Star Trek 2/The Wrath of Khan was thrilling.
Maybe you should be ashamed. You choose.
I think the philosophy of Star Trek is more important than the excitment. Just watch TNG: The Measure of a Man.
What I like about TOS is Kirk is in a bad position, worse tactically, and he and his crew must use their intelligence to win.
What I don't like about the 2009 reboot is Kirk just goes in and shoots everybody. That defies Roddenberry's Vision (a peaceful and utopian universe).

@PhaserLightShow

 

[Nyotarules]

^And one where adults can enjoy whatever legally created movie they like without needing to worry about shame based on other's perceptions.
Roddenberry's vision also had to entertain people or else it would be taken off the air.